"Must-have" Oil Change items.

[RRnold]

Does anybody have any feedback on oil changing pumps?

[mr2lor]

For the FR-S, do we use the same one as the BR-Z or do we use the F-103. On their website, it states that all Scion used F-103 as well as Toyota.

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by mr2lor

For the FR-S, do we use the same one as the BR-Z or do we use the F-103. On their website, it states that all Scion used F-103 as well as Toyota.

Use the F-108. The engine is a Subaru engine.

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Does anybody have any feedback on oil changing pumps?

You'd have to get one with a hose that is small enough for the dipstick tube. Might take a while to drain the sump. Otherwise, I've seen people bring their filled pump in to recycle. Seems like they might work well.

My only issue with them is that the ones I've seen cost between $125 and $250. Maybe I'm not finding the cheap ones.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

You'd have to get one with a hose that is small enough for the dipstick tube. Might take a while to drain the sump. Otherwise, I've seen people bring their filled pump in to recycle. Seems like they might work well.

My only issue with them is that the ones I've seen cost between $125 and $250. Maybe I'm not finding the cheap ones.

Yeah, all of the lower priced ones that I've seen from Harbor Freight, Wal Mart etc didn't have good reviews.

[Hawaiian]

Does the magnet really have an effect? It almost seems like a "snakeoil" product.

[Hanakuso]

How much force is needed to switch the oil valve? I would be worried it might release all the oil when i'm driving.

[Laika]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

Definitely. The nipple on the F-108N is easily an inch long, so the regular valve will have an inch of clearance. Anything that would hit the valve would do serious damage to the rest of your car and possibly high-side it. A damaged oil pan would be the least of your worries.

Beautiful! Aside from the vivid visual of me destroying my car in a fiery inferno. Thanks Draco, looks like I'll be picking one up.

[Surakusa]

Call me crazy, but what can a magnet pick up? aren't engines made out of aluminum, as well as most of the innards that aren't bolts? those aren't magnetic. :P

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by Hanakuso

How much force is needed to switch the oil valve? I would be worried it might release all the oil when i'm driving.

A reasonable amount. Also, when closed the lever sits in a recess that keeps it closed and a spring inside keeps the lever in the recess. If you're still concerned about it opening due to vibration you can get a spring clamp to keep the lever in place.

However, I think that's overkill. My WRX that I race in SCCA RallyCross has a Fumoto without the extra clamp and it has never opened on it's own.

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

Does the magnet really have an effect? It almost seems like a "snakeoil" product.

In a fully broken in engine, not a whole lot. But it still can pick up some. The way I see it, any way to keep contaminates out of the oil is a good thing.

Probably an exaggerated pic, but:


If you've ever seen "Ferro Fluid" you've seen metal bits in an oil suspension. Except because the metal content is much lower in engine, the bits stay against the filter wall.

Originally Posted by Surakusa

Call me crazy, but what can a magnet pick up? aren't engines made out of aluminum, as well as most of the innards that aren't bolts? those aren't magnetic. :P

The block is aluminum, but the parts that wear, crankshaft, pistons, rings, sleeves, bearings, camshafts, lifters, etc are not.

Ultimately the filter magnet is one of those things that may have a long-term effect. Like getting 99.9% filtration filters instead of 95%. Does it truly matter? No one really knows because no one's going to pay for a long-term study to be sure. But it should matter, and it brings peace of mind.

I'll try to remember to rent an exhaust pipe cutter next time I change my oil and I'll cut the filter open and take pictures to see if it gathered anything.

[Draco-REX]

I had a thought and fired off a quick question to Blackstone Labs to see if they've seen lower metal counts when a filter magnet is used. If I get a reply I'll post it.

[Draco-REX]

Ok, got a reply from Blackstone Labs:

Draco,

Thanks for the email. A lot of our customers use magnets on drain plugs and
filter. Our belief has always been that they certainly don't hurt anything,
but we normally don't see dramatically lower wear with magnets in place
versus no magnets. Still, getting metal out of the oil can't hurt anything.
Just don't expect lower wear in the oil analysis. Let me know if you have
any other questions and have a great day.

Alex Miller
Blackstone Labs

So, it doesn't hurt anything and certainly might be helping. But there's no solid evidence to prove one way or the other. I think it was a good purchase, personally. But others can decide on their own of course.

[lordtakuban]

Does anyone know the correct Power Enterprise MAG II oil filter to use? Those come with magnets inside them already and are a really good filter. I use them on my MR-S and would like to continue to use them in my FR-S. I'm just having a difficult time finding out the proper one to buy. So far, based on some other cross-references, it looks like the OFII-04A is the correct one. But I am not certain.

Edit:

It could be either of these:
OFII-04A 65x80 (width x height in mm)
OFII-02A 65x70 (width x height in mm)

Both are: M20×1.5

The O2A allegedly replaces Subaru part number: 15208-A0130. That's not exactly the same as 15208-AA130. But I'm just trying to figure out the proper sizing. I suppose I'll just measure once I have the car and order the one that is the closest height then. The both should fit though.

[Koji_Online]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

Ok, got a reply from Blackstone Labs:



So, it doesn't hurt anything and certainly might be helping. But there's no solid evidence to prove one way or the other. I think it was a good purchase, personally. But others can decide on their own of course.

Hey whatsup, when I look at the Fumoto valve, I'm trying to figure out where the oil comes out; is it on the side of the open valve (90 degree angle to pan) or does it flow out the straight opposite ende of the opening that goes into the pan?