Work Vs. Drag wheels

[vividracing]

Originally Posted by TwinscrollGT35R

I think its time to bust a cap in another rota!

Also iso just means they can trace the materials back to the source in case there is a problem.

Bingo. ISO certs are certifications for the manufacturing process, NOT the end result.

[blackfireball5]

Originally Posted by vividracing

1st off, JWL certs mean nothing to me, since it's a self certification. I could make a wheel out of Play Doh and stamp it with JWL and it's JWL certified. ISO9001 doesn't mean much to me either, since the ISO folks just do an inspection of the manufacturing facilities, not the product. All this means is that on their best day, that factory does it right. These certifications have to be taken with a grain of salt, and I always look at them while also keeping in mind the type of culture that the manufacturer has.

VIA certs hold a lot more weight, and the fact that Rota has those does mean that they've been deemed safe for road use by the Japanese gov't. This thread isn't about Rotas though, it's about Drag wheels.

Would you mind sharing your info/source on the rota owning Enkei thing? I've never heard that.

are the certifications done per product or per company?

i googled it looking to find some info and it returned a few product pages for drag wheels that say they are both JWL and VIA certified. Are these retailers incorrect?

http://www.ks-customs.com/products/D...2d26-15X7.html

http://www.ks-customs.com/products/D...2d16-16x7.html

http://www.hondawerkz.com/products.php?product=Drag-Wheels-DR%252d19-15%2C16%2C17%2C18%22--Black-{47}-Gunmetal-{47}-Silver-Rim

[vividracing]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tion_standards

All the info right here.

Originally Posted by blackfireball5

are the certifications done per product or per company?

i googled it looking to find some info and it returned a few product pages for drag wheels that say they are both JWL and VIA certified. Are these retailers incorrect?

http://www.ks-customs.com/products/D...2d26-15X7.html

http://www.ks-customs.com/products/D...2d16-16x7.html

http://www.hondawerkz.com/products.php?product=Drag-Wheels-DR%252d19-15%2C16%2C17%2C18%22--Black-{47}-Gunmetal-{47}-Silver-Rim

For JWL/VIA, each wheel has to be tested in order to receive the stamp. In a related but slightly different topic, JWL stamps are similar to the DOT stamps on motorcycle helmets. DOT is a self-certification on helmets for the US market. Take a look here for info straight for the horses mouth http://www.jwtc.jp/open/html/e/index.html

[vividracing]

Certification
ISO does not itself certify organizations. Numerous certification bodies exist, which audit organizations and, upon success, issue ISO 9001 compliance certificates. Although commonly referred to as 'ISO 9000' certification, the actual standard to which an organization's quality management system can be certified is ISO 9001:2008. Many countries have formed accreditation bodies to authorize ("accredit") the certification bodies. Both the accreditation bodies and the certification bodies charge fees for their services. The various accreditation bodies have mutual agreements with each other to ensure that certificates issued by one of the Accredited Certification Bodies (CB) are accepted worldwide. Certification bodies themselves operate under another quality standard, ISO/IEC 17021,[28] while accreditation bodies operate under ISO/IEC 17011.[29]
An organization applying for ISO 9001 certification is audited based on an extensive sample of its sites, functions, products, services and processes. The auditor presents a list of problems (defined as "nonconformities", "observations" or "opportunities for improvement") to management. If there are no major nonconformities, the certification body will issue a certificate. Where major nonconformities are identified, the organization will present an improvement plan to the certification body (e.g. corrective action reports showing how the problems will be resolved); once the certification body is satisfied that the organisation has carried out sufficent corrective action, it will issue a certificate. The certificate is limited by a certain scope (e.g. production of golf balls) and will display the addresses to which the certificate refers.
An ISO 9001 certificate is not a once-and-for-all award, but must be renewed at regular intervals recommended by the certification body, usually once every three years. There are no grades of competence within ISO 9001: either a company is certified (meaning that it is committed to the method and model of quality management described in the standard) or it is not. In this respect, ISO 9001 certification contrasts with measurement-based quality systems such as the Capability Maturity Model.

[vividracing]

Originally Posted by RavSpec

WORK wheels = JWL, VIA standard compliance

ROTA, DRAG, = non

BIG BIG differences, could mean ur life.

Of course nothing beat rocking the real thing vs a replica.

Mark.

This is what I do not understand. You might save a few $$ buying the wheels. But when the wheel breaks, You will end up with x4 the amount saved in damages to the car. And if people freak out about some random vandalism or a shopping cart hitting their car. But yet still try and save a buck on wheels.
When the car breaks down you pull over to the side of the road. When your rim breaks, That is a whole other problem. If it happens on a busy freeway, This could put you and other drivers at risk.

No wheel is perfect. But I do like to put the odds in my favor when I can make a choice.

[blackfireball5]

Originally Posted by vividracing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tion_standards

All the info right here.



For JWL/VIA, each wheel has to be tested in order to receive the stamp. In a related but slightly different topic, JWL stamps are similar to the DOT stamps on motorcycle helmets. DOT is a self-certification on helmets for the US market. Take a look here for info straight for the horses mouth http://www.jwtc.jp/open/html/e/index.html

This doesn't answer my question though? So some wheels can be but others maybe not?

[Juan@aePerformance]

get the works.

[blackfireball5]

Can anyone actually provide me with links or sources showing that Drags fail more than other wheels, are poor quality, or even are not JWL or VIA certified? I cant find anything. I've owned mine for a while and love them.

vividracing, you makes it sound like I'm in danger having them on my car right now. Can you elaborate on what makes them dangerous, you seem to know what your talking about.

[jumbaco]

this pretty much applies to drag and rota too...

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by jumbaco

this pretty much applies to drag and rota too...

It's easy to do a Google search and find broken wheels though. Now go find the picture of the BMW with Varrstoen wheels that fell off the cliff and all four were intact. I know I've posted it here somewhere. All sorts of OEM wheels break as well. Does that mean they're all terrible and anyone who buys a car should immediately swap out for something different?

People should just buy what they want, what fits their budget, and be happy with the purchase. There will always be someone out there to tell you that you're wrong. Very often it becomes extremely elitist, almost in a "nyah nyah I have them but you don't" sense.

[VersionUp]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

It's easy to do a Google search and find broken wheels though. Now go find the picture of the BMW with Varrstoen wheels that fell off the cliff and all four were intact. I know I've posted it here somewhere. All sorts of OEM wheels break as well. Does that mean they're all terrible and anyone who buys a car should immediately swap out for something different?

People should just buy what they want, what fits their budget, and be happy with the purchase. There will always be someone out there to tell you that you're wrong. Very often it becomes extremely elitist, almost in a "nyah nyah I have them but you don't" sense.

There's two kind of people who does this Rota hate thing, someone with low self esteem and trying to fit in and people that are trying to sell you some overpriced wheels.

I'd rather buy a new set of Rotas than spend a lot of money on some overpriced used rims "just to fit in".

[Nezz]

... don't forget the people who saw a mate's R32 twist the centres out of its Rotas, I have never seen stock alloys fail like those did, with the exception of some seriously old and corroded Personals from an Alfa.

EDIT; Keep in mind, I'm not saying that they're better or worse or that they weren't just a bad batch, but I saw those Grids fail hardcore. Left rear failed on one spoke, right just failed twisted out of shape.

[TwinscrollGT35R]

Originally Posted by VersionUp

First of all, you're a hypocrite so you can push your product in this forums. Second, I already put you in your place that you're a blatant liar so shut up.
JWL is VIA is the same stupid. VIA (Japan Vehicle Inspection Authority) applies to ALL aftermarket parts in japan and JWL is for the wheels. A car in japan doesn't pass inspection if the car have an aftermarket part without a VIA stamp on it. And yea ISO9001/JWL?NSYNC doesn't mean to you 'cause you're a nobody in the first place. You should really stop using "Vivid Racing" as your username 'cause you're running that name to the ground.

Spare us with your "Rota isn't a safe product for road use" bullshit 'cause it's annoying. Go back to HondaTech.


And this is the stupidest thing that I've seen in the internet

Wow. Jumping to name calling now? There is a lot of good points in this thread. Lots of good information as well. Then you come in here all mighty defender of all things Rota.
You really do need to chill out bud.

[ZmZMWagon]

Rotas are very popular in Japan and I personally never saw Rotas broken in 2. Also look at MB Wheels at Discount Tire, they are pretty much "FinalSpeed" wheels from Japan. Unless you are doing actual Track duty or trying to win trophies, Volk, Works, Advan arent worht it.....I've learned that over the years.....