Only 8600 Toyota 86s will be available in 2017

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by D_Thissen

If that trend continues, I would not be surprised if the 86 platform is discontinued in NA.

Isn't as bad as it appear at a glance. What we are actually seeing in the increase of used ones available and taking up possible new sales. We also never knew how many they made for each year so it is hard to tell if they were making less or just selling less. We know how many 17s were made now so we will have a better idea of how the sales are actually doing. They won't discontinue if selling what they make but they will can it if making them and they are not selling.

Originally Posted by PNW-BRZ

Do these numbers also include the special editions?

I don't know. Probably though.

[Prax]

Imho, 240-260hp and 200-215tq and the 86 would be the best selling sports car in North America. In a place like Japan the 86 makes a lot of sense with all the mountains and curvy roads, but if you live somewhere mostly flat and boring you need more straight line acceleration to be attractive.

[Andrew025]

Originally Posted by Prax

Imho, 240-260hp and 200-215tq and the 86 would be the best selling sports car in North America. In a place like Japan the 86 makes a lot of sense with all the mountains and curvy roads, but if you live somewhere mostly flat and boring you need more straight line acceleration to be attractive.

That's assuming the price stays the same, which I doubt it would.
Everyone will still say "why would I spend more money on an 86 when I could get a mustang".

[KalbiCool88]

Not to mention the BRZ would be cutting into the WRX/STI sales if it were to have FI and be making that much power.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Prax

Imho, 240-260hp and 200-215tq and the 86 would be the best selling sports car in North America. In a place like Japan the 86 makes a lot of sense with all the mountains and curvy roads, but if you live somewhere mostly flat and boring you need more straight line acceleration to be attractive.

I have to ask... have you been to the midwest plain states?

flat and boring is pretty much all they have.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Prax

Imho, 240-260hp and 200-215tq and the 86 would be the best selling sports car in North America. In a place like Japan the 86 makes a lot of sense with all the mountains and curvy roads, but if you live somewhere mostly flat and boring you need more straight line acceleration to be attractive.

No it wouldn't. The More Power crowd would still say it was not enough and the Hardly Can Drive it As it Is crowd would all be dead or afraid. That pretty much leaves those in the middle.

[darthpnoy1984]

Originally Posted by mav1178

I have to ask... have you been to the midwest plain states?



flat and boring is pretty much all they have.

The insurance is already high as it is for the car asking more power will just shoot the rates off the roof.


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[mav1178]

Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984

The insurance is already high as it is for the car asking more power will just shoot the rates off the roof.

... but but we need STI turbo twin quad charged version!

[NOHOME]

61,1770 total NA sales hardly seems like its worth it.

Been an interesting car and I am happy to have participated in this historical automotive footnote as the FRS's personality is suited to my wants, but it is not a car that I have advised anyone I know personally to buy.

[NOHOME]

Originally Posted by Prax

Imho, 240-260hp and 200-215tq and the 86 would be the best selling sports car in North America. In a place like Japan the 86 makes a lot of sense with all the mountains and curvy roads, but if you live somewhere mostly flat and boring you need more straight line acceleration to be attractive.

You are assuming that the weight would remain what it is today.
The factory is not free to add HP without the supporting design infrastruture to handle the extra power.

The engine would need to be beefier internals to hold up
The suspension would also need upgrading (weight) to cope
Chassis would need more bracing

Cost to operate would go up. Fuel, insurance, repairs.

At the end, you would end up with a car that did not have a significant weight advantage over the Mustang and still not enough power to play on the new playing field.

[funwheeldrive]

Now that the BRZ is cheaper than the 86 and better equipped, there is literally no reason the buy the 86.

Unless you prefer the front bumper.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by NOHOME

61,1770 total NA sales hardly seems like its worth it.

Been an interesting car and I am happy to have participated in this historical automotive footnote as the FRS's personality is suited to my wants, but it is not a car that I have advised anyone I know personally to buy.

I always steer people who are interested away from this. For 90% of the population, an EcoBoost Mustang would fit much better. Hell, if I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't have ended up in an FRS, I also would have gotten the mustang.

[86geek]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Now that the BRZ is cheaper than the 86 and better equipped, there is literally no reason the buy the 86.

Unless you prefer the front bumper.

I don't care for the 86 front whale shark bumper.
I'd buy a BRZ now if I needed to.

[mazeroni]

In 2016, Toyota sold 6,643,386 vehicles.
Their Net Profit was around $12.8 Billion.

If Toyota can't divest some R&D money to continue building the 86 long into the future, well, shame on the board members and investors who would love to see Toyota go back to the safe, early 2000s when they only built bland, beige transportation vehicles. (I know that isn't how business works. Missing financial targets and seeing you stock rise only $.30 per share instead of $.31 will send people into a mad frenzy.)

Or call up Mazda and ask about collaborating on a new RX-9. I would be willing to give a rotary powered 86 a chance.