non-correctable front license plate - cop being @$$hole

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by jasonojordan

What he is saying is if the OP wants to have a chance to get it tossed out (aside from the cop just not showing up) he will need a lawyer to work his case because from everything the OP has shared with us its cut and dry the officer was doing his job.

Have you ever contested a ticket? Because it doesn't sound like you have.

[Joyride86]

I always thought the idea of contesting was to disprove a claim, however in this case OP didn't have a front plate and admitted so. The police officer issued a citation within his jurisdiction. It's not a personal thing or has anything to do with the car the officer drives vs what we drive.

Typically if you go to court and show remorse or own up to the problem, the judge normally cuts you a break. For instance on a speeding ticket, the fine would be reduced and the points taken away. OP just has to realize not running a front plate has risks. He just got caught. Tons of other people do it too, but that's irrelevant in the court's eyes.

[jasonojordan]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Have you ever contested a ticket? Because it doesn't sound like you have.

I have never stated or gave the illusion that I have contested one. I am simply stating what Dadhawk was trying to get across. That he is saying it is in the best interest of the OP to get a Lawyer when he said get a lawyer not that one is required by law.

[FR-Sky]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

What? Really? Did you actually say that? Who get's to chose what get's enforced and what doesn't? Is ignorance of the law a defense in your Sate? Is it anyplace in the world?


Do they enforce all the law all the time? No, they don't have the resources but that doesn't change the fact it is a law and therefore enforceable.


Of course he has the right to contest it and the cop had the right (and duty) to issue it. I would love to hear the cop's side of the story on some of these whiny "I got a ticket and shouldn't have" threads. You get a ticket and didn't break the law then fight it. You get a ticket for something you know was illegal and then whine that it is "unfair" or "petty" then try to fight it but don't blame the cop for doing what he is paid and sworn to do.

So, let say 50% of people who drive in California doesnt have licesne plate in front. For those who got cited get a fix it ticket, so how am I different from those people who got fix it ticket? Instead, he gave me a non-correctable ticket for the same item. Justice?

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

He came looking for help, and instead you guys are just telling him to bend over. It's not like he was going 100mph on the highway or talking on his cell phone. Front plate laws are ridiculous.

Actually, I did offer some help, tinged with a little seasoning of truth as to what his situation is.

If it were me, I'd do exactly what I said at first, fix the problem, get it documented and take that to court. No mess, no fuss, hope for the best.

If you really want to make it a knock down, drag out type of thing, its going to get ugly. And to think that the cop somehow was "unjust" for what he did is just silly.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by FR-Sky

So, let say 50% of people who drive in California doesnt have licesne plate in front. For those who got cited get a fix it ticket, so how am I different from those people who got fix it ticket? Instead, he gave me a non-correctable ticket for the same item. Justice?

I have no clue what the whole story is so can't comment on your particular case.
You chose to run without a plate. You got busted for it. Doesn't matter what the others do you got caught. Do you have some numbers of how many others got a fix it ticket vs a full one? How do you know you are so different? Maybe that cop gives everybody one.

I knowingly break laws all the time. I speed, do rolling stops at signs, don't signal every single lane change, etc but would just take my licks if I got caught and ticketed. I would not be crying that "everybody else does it and get's away with it oh woe is me this isn't justice since I should get away with it too". Fight the ticket or man up and pay it but stop complaining that you got it.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

What? Really? Did you actually say that? Who get's to chose what get's enforced and what doesn't? Is ignorance of the law a defense in your Sate? Is it anyplace in the world?


Do they enforce all the law all the time? No, they don't have the resources but that doesn't change the fact it is a law and therefore enforceable

So you think that all laws in effect are just and shouldn't be resisted if given the chance? You really are Canadian aren't you?

[jasonojordan]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

So you think that all laws in effect are just and shouldn't be resisted if given the chance? You really are Canadian aren't you?

If you really think a law is unjust you get in contact with your representatives about it. If your looking for a pat on the back and a hug its ok the police are bullies they bullied me to you come to a forum.

#Playstupidgameswinstupidprizes
#endthread

[Xxyion]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I have no clue what the whole story is so can't comment on your particular case.
You chose to run without a plate. You got busted for it. Doesn't matter what the others do you got caught. Do you have some numbers of how many others got a fix it ticket vs a full one? How do you know you are so different? Maybe that cop gives everybody one.

I knowingly break laws all the time. I speed, do rolling stops at signs, don't signal every single lane change, etc but would just take my licks if I got caught and ticketed. I would not be crying that "everybody else does it and get's away with it oh woe is me this isn't justice since I should get away with it too". Fight the ticket or man up and pay it but stop complaining that you got it.

I think it's less that he is upset that he got one and more the fact that he didnt get a fix-it ticket. As far as i'm aware running no front license plate is only a fix-it ticket. I got ticketed for the same thing and it was just a 25$ with proof that i changed to get the ticket cleared.

I've never heard that there was an even an option for a non-correctable ticket. By the terminology it almost sounds like even if he changed it back he is still getting hit with the full amount.

Personally i would contest it. At the same time i've had zero prior violations.

OP have you ever been pulled over for this before? Or maybe you have had a recent violation? Maybe that was the reason? If not then i'm not sure.

[jasonojordan]

Originally Posted by Xxyion

I think it's less that he is upset that he got one and more the fact that he didnt get a fix-it ticket. As far as i'm aware running no front license plate is only a fix-it ticket. I got ticketed for the same thing and it was just a 25$ with proof that i changed to get the ticket cleared.

I've never heard that there was an even an option for a non-correctable ticket. By the terminology it almost sounds like even if he changed it back he is still getting hit with the full amount.

Personally i would contest it. At the same time i've had zero prior violations.

OP have you ever been pulled over for this before? Or maybe you have had a recent violation? Maybe that was the reason? If not then i'm not sure.

I don't have a problem with him wanting to contest it. I have a problem with his oh im the victim the cops a bully other people do it all the time attitude.

[FR-Sky]

Originally Posted by Xxyion

I think it's less that he is upset that he got one and more the fact that he didnt get a fix-it ticket. As far as i'm aware running no front license plate is only a fix-it ticket. I got ticketed for the same thing and it was just a 25$ with proof that i changed to get the ticket cleared.

I've never heard that there was an even an option for a non-correctable ticket. By the terminology it almost sounds like even if he changed it back he is still getting hit with the full amount.

Personally i would contest it. At the same time i've had zero prior violations.

OP have you ever been pulled over for this before? Or maybe you have had a recent violation? Maybe that was the reason? If not then i'm not sure.

FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTAND MY POINT.!!!!HOLY SHIT!!!!
I NEVER GOT PULLED OVER FOR STUPID FRONT LICENSE PLATE, IT IS MY FIRST TIME IN 10 YEARS, MY RECENT CITATION WAS 4 YEARS AGO.
You feel me? that cop is playing stupid.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

So you think that all laws in effect are just and shouldn't be resisted if given the chance? You really are Canadian aren't you?

If you want a law changed then get a law changed. Until that time it is still a LAW. Not a recommendation or suggestion it is a requirement put in place by the people that you elected. There are loads of laws I don't agree with but just because I think they are foolish doesn't me I feel I can just ignore them with total impunity.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by FR-Sky

So, let say 50% of people who drive in California doesnt have licesne plate in front. For those who got cited get a fix it ticket, so how am I different from those people who got fix it ticket? Instead, he gave me a non-correctable ticket for the same item. Justice?

It's neither just nor unjust, its just within the boundaries of the Law. If there were no law in your state requiring a front plate you wouldn't have been stopped. If you break the law, you can expect to be required to pay within the limits of the law. Sometimes its light, sometimes its heavy.

When the Officer ran your plate, what other driving offenses have you had? Not saying you had any, but its possible that played into it if you did. He also could have been directed to not give fix-it tickets.

I also did some more reading on this (I really should get back to work). From what I can tell the code actually requires the issuance of a ticket where the fine is $178.

Originally Posted by Several Web Sites

Under Vehicle Code Appendix B List of Violations Division 3 for Registration of Vehicles, violation of VC 5200 can be filed as an infraction, if ticket fees are not paid when due. The fine is punishable by $178.

I could not find an option for a "fix-it" ticket, although I suspect that is within the boundary of what the officer can do.

As why you were singled out, I don't know. Same thing has happened to me. I've talked my way out of a speeding ticket, had the officer just issue a warning, or been given a ticket. All were within the bounds, and probably just had to do with factors I don't know on that given day.

Other option is to move to a state that doesn't require a front plate. I don't live in CA because there are 100s of laws and regulations there I don't agree with. In fact I've turned down (lucrative) jobs there for that reason, could never live there.

Best of luck whichever way you choose to go on this. I've said my piece at this point.

[FR-Sky]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

It's neither just or unjust, its just within the boundaries of the Law. If there were no law in your state requiring a front plate you wouldn't have been stopped. If you break the law, you can expect to be required to pay within the limits of the law. Sometimes its light, sometimes its heavy.

When the Officer ran your plate, what other driving offenses have you had? Not saying you had any, but its possible that played into it if you did. He also could have been directed to not give fix-it tickets.

I also did some more reading on this (I really should get back to work). From what I can tell the code actually requires the issuance of a ticket where the fine is $178.



I could not find an option for a "fix-it" ticket, although I suspect that is within the boundary of what the officer can do.

As why you were singled out, I don't know. Same thing has happened to me. I've talked my way out of a speeding ticket, had the officer just issue a warning, or been given a ticket. All were within the bounds, and probably just had to do with factors I don't know on that given day.

Other option is to move to a state that doesn't require a front plate. I don't live in CA because there are 100s of laws and regulations there I don't agree with. In fact I've turned down (lucrative) jobs there for that reason, could never live there.

Best of luck whichever way you choose to go on this. I've said my piece at this point.

I have been driving for 10 years, this is my first time got pulled over for front license plate, I didnt even get any warning within the 10 years. My last citation/violation was four years ago.