200hp / 2700lbs - Really?

[Dragonitti]

And most of the time cyde.....When it comes to a Scion.....they see Badge first and it's the Badge that gives them that ego complex of...."It's just a Scion, those fuckers are slower than dog shit". Followed up with "That's a fucking Scion, how the hell is it that fast, must be a built motor, built this, built that..." all the while the block is stock...

One of the reasons why I don't debadge my ride, cause they are pissed mostly because they lost to a Scion, not because they just lost. It's a Scion to them, so they never expect it.

Happened to me with the 2010 Mustang GT and the RoushSupercharged Mustang GT guys. Since I was leaving them at the track, they thought...Scion's are super slow, so his must have ever mod possible on it because I'm in a Mustang and he's kicking my ass. Only to find out that I'm running stock everything power wise (150whp at most right now). Wasn't until after that, did they realize my driving > their driving.

[cyde01]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Don't get bent out of shape guys....no hard feelings.

hey i'm not bent out of shape at all you just made it sound like WE'D be bent out of shape because of YOUR scion. i honestly wouldn't care less. just like you said, if you beat me at the track, i would wonder how you'd did it, wonder what's under the hood and give you respect for it. i still don't care for the brand but that's what i'd do.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by cyde01

hey i'm not bent out of shape at all you just made it sound like WE'D be bent out of shape because of YOUR scion. i honestly wouldn't care less. just like you said, if you beat me at the track, i would wonder how you'd did it, wonder what's under the hood and give you respect for it. i still don't care for the brand but that's what i'd do.

I was speaking in general that Aftermarket > Factory, so I welcome the thought of there being a "Lower" cost version for the Scion line, so I can build it to my specs.

This all maters based on the engine platform chosen though. If it isn't mod worthy, which would go against what Scion is about, then I would go ahead and get the Toyota version.

It would spark a good conversation amongst enthusiast, not a ploy to say "Ha ha...you bought a higher dollar one of the same car and got whooped". I'm not a jerk/ahole like that. Not trying to convince anyone to buy the Scion version. Just saying what "I" would do should such an opportunity presented itself.

Don't see there being a Scion version anyway. For me it's going to be the base model regardless. After having the Touring Ed. 350z and upgrading stuff regardless, it was stupid to have not just went with the base model 350z for cheaper.

[xantonin]

I myself would be tempted to get the highest most upgraded version...

... and then upgrade it more.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by xantonin

I myself would be tempted to get the highest most upgraded version...

... and then upgrade it more.

Yeah true that. And it would work out fine if the higher model somehow excluded the base model from ever achieving what it can. But that's not the case because trim levels don't separate the core part of the vehicle (it's chassis and power plant). They just take out little shit that don't matter...i.e. Base model 350z didn't have an LSD, Bose stereo...etc. and the Track model came with a factory LSD, Bose, Brembo Brakes, VDC and traction control..etc, in the end the Base model had Aftermarket brake, Diff...etc upgrades that were better than factory Brembo, or even better, Brembo coming out with a package for the base 350z. Traction control makes your car slower, so for the track you would turn that shit off anyway. See what I'm getting at...Trim levels make no sense to a person who wants to upgrade anyway, unless that trim level distinctly excludes the base from every acquiring what it has, like a completely different engine that isn't worthy of being pushed to the limit.

If it's just a separation of one being boosted and the other not, but the engine is the same internally....then give me the N/A one and I'll boost it myself.

[Matador]

How about

Toyota + subaru NA, 220hp (~$24kand up)
Toyota + SUbaru turbo, 275-300hp (~$29k and up)

Wire bend, story end.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by BoostJunkie

What if they did the good model as a Lexus..... Curve ball!!

A Z4/SLK/TT competitor would be frikkin awesome.

Originally Posted by gdi2290

they said their IS is going to be a stretched FT-86 so in a sense that is true

Bullshit, not gonna happen.

[Dimman]

With the amount they pushed the motor back, an H6 variant (Lexus?) would be completely plausible, without worrying too much about balance issues.

[FT-86GOD]

Originally Posted by Aki

Well nobody knows that it's going to be 200hp, that's just the guess (since it's a convenient number). I'm thinking it could even be 180hp.

Considering how the market's changing, I just don't see it as a practical. I think people aren't seeing just how hostile the market is to sports cars. Mazda's stopping sales of the RX8 not only due to emissions but also floundering sales. Ditto for the 370Z. The S2k stopped production, because sales just didn't support it (granted it was long in the legs). Mitsubishi's pondering killing off the Evo. In light of that, I think it'd be dumb of Toyota to push for a 250hp variant off the bat.

If they do, I'm thinking they'd maybe boost the 2.0 version, I'm doubting they'd use the 2.5. And it'd probably be after gauging sales of the 2.0 N/A. Offering two different motors drives up cost a lot, especially if it's not going to simply borrow from an existing powerplant.

People keep bringing up the Supra as though it's the holy grail, but let's face it, sales of that car sucked. 3,500 at its peak, a bit more than 11,000 throughout its six-year life. From a sales perspective, it wasn't a successful car, however much you want to put the 2JZ on a pedestal. Hence it makes no sense for Toyota to model the FT86 after a failed sports car. In the end it doesn't matter how much a small group of forum people like the car--it's the bottom line that counts.

Mitsubishi have killed all Evo developement.... The Evo is over for now......

[Midship Runabout]

Originally Posted by FT-86GOD

Mitsubishi have killed all Evo developement.... The Evo is over for now......

"I guess you could say the Lancer,
*puts on glasses*
is no longer evolving."
YEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Dark]

Originally Posted by FT-86GOD

Mitsubishi have killed all Evo developement.... The Evo is over for now......

have you read updated news yet?

[NESW20]

Originally Posted by Dark

have you read updated news yet?

my guess is not. seems like there are dumb rumors abound in the automotive world!

EDIT: note that i was calling the rumor dumb, not someone.

[Siriusly.Andrew]

Originally Posted by Dixie Normous

"I guess you could say the Lancer,
*puts on glasses*
is no longer evolving."
YEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

Nice.

[FT-86GOD]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

If it's just a separation of one being boosted and the other not, but the engine is the same internally....then give me the N/A one and I'll boost it myself.

That would never happen though Dragonitti..... If they came out both using the same motor but one N/A and the other running Boost the boosted version would be running much stronger internals and probably a different head, camshaft setup.........

I presume in that case u would get the boosted version but if not and opted to boost the N/A urself ur gonna be spending a fair bit of money strengthing the block for that boost, not to mention the possibility that the boosted version has an upgraded diff and then there will always be re-sale value having the lower end model N/A boosted or not its still be the N/A model.....

I think it will be released in 2 or 3 versions... Base package, possible upgraded sports special or wateva then the premium model with turbo....... Turbo being forged internals.... I personally will go for that then just start upgrading turbo, fuel pump, coilovers, castor rods, swaybars etc and go nuts from there.... If it doesnt go down like that and there is no turbo model released in the beginning then yeah ill do what u do kinda, Get the N/A and boost myself but at any stage if toyota upgrade to a turbo model ill be replacing all my handling goodies back to stock, trading in, getting the new turbo model and starting from scratch again......