Drive 'tests' the 2017 BRZ

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by guybo

I wouldn't choose a Camaro V6 over it because the Camaro handles like shit and drives like a boat. The Camaro is only faster in a straight line.

False. At least the 6th generation. A base SS pulled .98G on the same skidpad a BRZ did .89G on. The six doesn't get the same suspension goodies, but they still do better than a twin. You'd never be able to get a true apples to apples comparison due to engine differences and tire differences etc etc, but the new 6th generation camaro has been touted as a true drivers car in every sense of the meaning.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I think he gets it. That is the biggest gripe across the board with this vehicle in general.

Doesn't matter what it had there would be a group griping about it though. Come out with a 220hp SC it "should" of had a 250 TC. Has a 250 TC it "should" have had a 300 Twin Scroll TC and so on.
Now that being said it is indeed the biggest gripe and obviously I am not privy to the reasons I am amazed that they have not come out with a TRD/STi factory approved option. Scion did it for the bloody tC for crying out loud. There would still be people complaining but there would be fewer of them for sure. No doubt there would also be more cars in the wreckers for us to get parts off of since even he had issues at stock power.

[prj3ctm4yh3m]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

False. At least the 6th generation. A base SS pulled .98G on the same skidpad a BRZ did .89G on. The six doesn't get the same suspension goodies, but they still do better than a twin. You'd never be able to get a true apples to apples comparison due to engine differences and tire differences etc etc, but the new 6th generation camaro has been touted as a true drivers car in every sense of the meaning.

where did this idea come from that a good skidpad encompasses all aspects of handling?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

False. At least the 6th generation. A base SS pulled .98G on the same skidpad a BRZ did .89G on. The six doesn't get the same suspension goodies, but they still do better than a twin. You'd never be able to get a true apples to apples comparison due to engine differences and tire differences etc etc, but the new 6th generation camaro has been touted as a true drivers car in every sense of the meaning.

Having driven one they are indeed sweet. Not exactly what I was after but damned close. They keep going in the direction they are and it could turn into damn near the perfect low(er) budget driver's car. The new Mustangs are also much better then they were but not quite as far along as the Camaros.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by prj3ctm4yh3m

where did this idea come from that a good skidpad encompasses all aspects of handling?

It doesn't, but you will never be able to get a true apples to apples comparison. It was a baseline, numerical based thing to show a portion of what I was saying. The new Camaro is definitely a great handling car, some sort of numbers / statistics help prove that. That was all I was doing and I KNEW somebody would say something like that.


I also love how you ignored the rest of my post and focused strictly on the skidpad numbers portion of it.

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

False. At least the 6th generation. A base SS pulled .98G on the same skidpad a BRZ did .89G on.

The SS also pulled that on 245/275 Goodyear F1 Asymmetric F3s, which are not at all comparable to our POS low traction OEM tires. Our tires were chosen for tail-happy fun times, not sideways traction. I would be curious to know what our cars would pull with the Camaro's Goodyears in our OEM size.

[Azzudien]

You are comparing a SS Camaro with magnetic ride control and a price tag of $47k To a baseline BRZ that can be purchased for $25k.

How about you compare the baseline Camaro with the 4 cylinder engine, lacking all the traction control features with the BRZ, then at least it is a fair price comparison.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

The SS also pulled that on 245/275 Goodyear F1 Asymmetric F3s, which are not at all comparable to our POS low traction OEM tires. Our tires were chosen for tail-happy fun times, not sideways traction. I would be curious to know what our cars would pull with the Camaro's Goodyears in our OEM size.

JFC what part of not apples to apples in two different posts is not understood.


Anyways, according to tirerack on 235/40/18 starspecs .96


http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...ransformation/

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

JFC what part of not apples to apples in two different posts is not understood.

Anyways, according to tirerack on 235/40/18 starspecs .96

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...ransformation/

You brought up the skid pad comparison; I just pointed out why it wasn't necessarily a valid comparison.


Also, thanks for the article. I remembered reading it somewhere a while ago, but not where it came from. .96 isn't too bad at all.

[Summerwolf]

This is not comparison between the twins and the new Camaro.


Guybo said new Camaros don't handle well. I was just pointing out that is a VERY common misconception. I dropped one comparison for proof of my statement and everyone comes crawling out of the internet to defend the poor little twins, lol.


According to motor trend a base model four cylinder Camaro does the skidpad in .89 on the skidpad with worse tires than our stock ones and a similar purchase price. Let alone being faster overall. They also state lack of power and other engine options as a reason not to buy, lol.

[yanfoo]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

This is not comparison between the twins and the new Camaro.


Guybo said new Camaros don't handle well. I was just pointing out that is a VERY common misconception. I dropped one comparison for proof of my statement and everyone comes crawling out of the internet to defend the poor little twins, lol.


According to motor trend a base model four cylinder Camaro does the skidpad in .89 on the skidpad with worse tires than our stock ones and a similar purchase price. Let alone being faster overall. They also state lack of power and other engine options as a reason not to buy, lol.

yeah lol and everytime there's a word about camaros I see you interveen saying the same s**t over and over again with your stupid skidpad comparison...

Gush just go and get one for god's sake and enjoy

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by yanfoo

yeah lol and everytime there's a word about camaros I see you interveen saying the same s**t over and over again with your stupid skidpad comparison...

Gush just go and get one for god's sake and enjoy

I've already had a Camaro.


I honestly think I've only been involved in two discussions about these cars, it just doesn't make sense when people blindly believe the car can't handle and isn't a drivers car....and then motor trend claims it to be best drivers car of the year, lol. Not that motor trend is the end all be all authority by any means, but they at least put out hard data and good reviews.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

The SS also pulled that on 245/275 Goodyear F1 Asymmetric F3s, which are not at all comparable to our POS low traction OEM tires. Our tires were chosen for tail-happy fun times, not sideways traction. I would be curious to know what our cars would pull with the Camaro's Goodyears in our OEM size.

Probably nothing since it would be stuck to the ground and not be able to move!

[prj3ctm4yh3m]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

It doesn't, but you will never be able to get a true apples to apples comparison. It was a baseline, numerical based thing to show a portion of what I was saying. The new Camaro is definitely a great handling car, some sort of numbers / statistics help prove that. That was all I was doing and I KNEW somebody would say something like that.


I also love how you ignored the rest of my post and focused strictly on the skidpad numbers portion of it.

ive read the M3 comparos. I'm aware it's a good chassis. On an 86 forum, you're comparing a claymore to a sabre wrt driving feel (the journalist in question here made the comparison) Alpha platform still feels pretty damn big. skidpads are irrelevant in that context.