FHI has registered "BRZ tS" as a United States Trademark

[DSOmegaX]

It's a bigger difference than what most people expect. More responsive, less body roll, tighter turn in and increased feedback. All without compromising comfort; the car is tuned for smoothness. tS cars are tuned for street use more so than track.

Despite not having an actual tS, I'm 99% there and the changes are dramatic driving mine and driving a stock car


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[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by why?

The reviews of the Japanese tS don't exactly make me want it. Now if they focused not just on handling but reducing weight as well it might be better. If reviewers started comparing it to cars we know handle amazingly, then it would be great.

They focused on producing a comfort car that can be used daily. If they focused too much on the weight reduction aspect, they would need to make specific compromises and raise the price even higher. Maybe you and me would buy it, but the majority of the car buyers are focusing on other things (e.g., 2-zone clima, heated seats, rear view cameras, high audio quality, gps navigation, noise reduction and so on ...)

Originally Posted by DSOmegaX

Despite not having an actual tS, I'm 99% there and the changes are dramatic driving mine and driving a stock car

I agree with DSOmegaX. I also installed a few parts that read making the biggest difference and the results are astonishing.

[why?]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

They focused on producing a comfort car that can be used daily. If they focused too much on the weight reduction aspect, they would need to make specific compromises and raise the price even higher. Maybe you and me would buy it, but the majority of the car buyers are focusing on other things (e.g., 2-zone clima, heated seats, rear view cameras, high audio quality, gps navigation, noise reduction and so on ...)



I agree with DSOmegaX. I also installed a few parts that read making the biggest difference and the results are astonishing.

You can focus on weight reduction without taking away the comfort. I agree the car should be comfortable. Wheels/brakes/flywheel/driveshaft can all be lightened, and that would make a shocking difference. 100 lbs lighter would be huge.

So you are saying the tS pieces do make a noticeable difference? I guess driving it will be the only real way to know, wish we could drive it on a course like the did when they were introducing the car.

[DSOmegaX]

Originally Posted by why?

You can focus on weight reduction without taking away the comfort. I agree the car should be comfortable. Wheels/brakes/flywheel/driveshaft can all be lightened, and that would make a shocking difference. 100 lbs lighter would be huge.



So you are saying the tS pieces do make a noticeable difference? I guess driving it will be the only real way to know, wish we could drive it on a course like the did when they were introducing the car.

As a whole, it's a significant difference. Those who've driven or ridden in my car have a great appreciation for how it feels when compared to the stock car.

That being said, I would temper expectations if such a car gets released in the US. For starters, I don't foresee this car making it here simply because the tS is now based on the older model and there's no indication that Japan will have a revised model either.

And if it does, it will not be the same car in its entirety as the one in Japan and in mine and other's completed builds. Major accessories like the strut bar will be available but I don't see them bringing in the axles, steering rack improvements, etc.

[Veloist]

I was talking to my regional Service/Parts Manager yesterday and asked him what the chances are Subaru would bring STI parts for the BRZ.

He said he didn't know, but he wouldn't be surprised if they did.

Needless to say, they either can't say anything or Subaru isn't emphasizing the whole STI phase thingy right now.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by why?

So you are saying the tS pieces do make a noticeable difference? I guess driving it will be the only real way to know, wish we could drive it on a course like the did when they were introducing the car.

I have a Forester as a DD and the BRZ for the weekends and as a fun car. I have the last 4 years in my Forester the tS suspension and all the STi braces and most of the reinforcements. Comparing my modified Forester with the stock BRZ, I could see good potential for the BRZ and it gave a positive feeling. However, something was missing. There was not the wow effect. I am mentioning all these just to understand my background.

After installing some basic tS pieces in my BRZ, it surpassed my expectations! The car really shined and it wasn't just "sporty". Unfortunately, many people haven't seen this potential before and think that on the handling side, by changing the suspension it will go just fine. The difference with the STi pieces is that everything is dialed in and it feels that these parts were manufactured like this from the beginning. In some cases there exist even the holes in the chassis for the tS pieces.

[nikitopo]

Check also what Tommi Mäkinen said after driving the tS car ... "much faster, much faster":


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[why?]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Check also what Tommi Mäkinen said after driving the tS car ... "much faster, much faster":

that's interesting. Isn't he on the payroll? At least you know if he said it is probably true.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by why?

that's interesting. Isn't he on the payroll? At least you know if he said it is probably true.

Tommi? He is offering consultant services. They don't pay him to travel in Japan to flatter them. His job is to transfer expertise and he has his own company. Here is Tommi discussing with Mr. Akio Toyoda. You need to be very special person to have this kind of customers:

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by why?

You can focus on weight reduction without taking away the comfort. I agree the car should be comfortable. Wheels/brakes/flywheel/driveshaft can all be lightened, and that would make a shocking difference. 100 lbs lighter would be huge.

So you are saying the tS pieces do make a noticeable difference? I guess driving it will be the only real way to know, wish we could drive it on a course like the did when they were introducing the car.

You probably haven't tried any of the tricked STI parts in real life. Best kept secret in the aftermarket world for this car but you gotta pay to play.

I for one am glad at least a company like STI figured out how to make the front Macpherson strut setup handle like double wishbone.

BTW no STI badging here, just a lot of STI parts for synergy.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by krayzie

Best kept secret in the aftermarket world for this car but you gotta pay to play.

I don't think the issue is that the changes were kept secret. All the parts are available for a couple of years and you guys provided all the details in related threads. I believe it is an educational issue and an understanding of car dynamics. If you don't give them power, they 'll not be happy. Here is an article saying that even if it'll come it will be fake. OMG!

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2016/8/3...he-US-7735218/

[nikitopo]

Comparison between BRZ tS, TRD 14R60 and new Honda Civic Type R with the 310 hp in Suzuka. Too bad that the BRT tS didn't have the rear wing, but overall it was fast:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgxvI7ZZu4A"]Sti vs無�vs TRD vs nismo - YouTube[/ame]

[Sport-Tech]

Interesting - at the slow speeds they were driving the tS's lack of wing would have made next to no difference. Let's face it, the tS got hella-F'ed by the TRD...

[Sport-Tech]

When sources make claims like this, their credibility goes right into the crapper:

17-inch Brembo disks up front with four piston calipers, while the rear receives 17-inch rotors with two-piston calipers

Even the Bugatti Veyron only has 16.4" rotors.

Originally Posted by nikitopo

I don't think the issue is that the changes were kept secret. All the parts are available for a couple of years and you guys provided all the details in related threads. I believe it is an educational issue and an understanding of car dynamics. If you don't give them power, they 'll not be happy. Here is an article saying that even if it'll come it will be fake. OMG!

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2016/8/3...he-US-7735218/