FRS vs Genesis coupe

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I'm not sure about exceedingly well...

I'd much rather have a Challenger, Camaro, or Mustang.

3 years ago I would have taken a Genisis over all three of those. Still disappointed with the Challenger but the new camaros and even the Mustangs (I never thought I would ever utter that word) are starting to come into something I would consider.

[darthpnoy1984]

I honestly think Genesis coupe would've gotten a lot more traction as a modern replacement to the beloved S13-S15 Nissan Chassis.


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[86Tony]

Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984

I honestly think Genesis coupe would've gotten a lot more traction as a modern replacement to the beloved S13-S15 Nissan Chassis.


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nissan really gotta nring back the s chasis

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

3 years ago I would have taken a Genisis over all three of those. Still disappointed with the Challenger but the new camaros and even the Mustangs (I never thought I would ever utter that word) are starting to come into something I would consider.

The Genesis coupe was my second option. However, I had another car as a daily driver so I decided to buy the drivers car. Besides, I was already a fan of Subaru and I was always dreaming about a low height car with a boxer engine. I don't regret about my choice, especially now that the Genesis is going to die. It won't be so good for current owners who will need to maintain their cars and keep them for some time.

[guybo]

Originally Posted by Twin4Life

Really? Im in Florida, RWD hotspot and rarely see Twins or Gen Coupes. Couple of the same guys in my area but nothing new of each.

Here in the Tampa Bay area they are everywhere. Lots of Twins too. Many of each are modified too. It always surprises me to read that the sales figures for the Gen were so low- apparently they were all sold in Tampa Bay! One thing I'll say for the Gen is that it is a beautiful car and both engines make some power. The 2.0t was very mod friendly, super easy to work on and can be ramped up to make power pretty easily and cheaply. I always liked how mine rode and had great grip through corners- it was a very fun car.

The shitty brakes and terrible ABS/SC/TC held it back in all the reviews. I experienced brake fade without really pushing it once (I was having a "spirited" drive on a windy 1 mile road); I managed to lock up all 4 brakes and slide (ABS... what ABS?) into my accident that totalled her; another time the TC kicked on (I was messing around and forgot to turn the SC/TC off) and almost through my wife's head into the dashboard (seatbelt locked up and saved her... from the fucking TC.... ). That and the horrible dual mass flywheel that made it tricky to use the clutch and made the tranny feel kind of funky. Hyundai almost hit out of the park with that car but not quite.

[SLVRSRFR]

Originally Posted by RichardsFRS

What about the ugly mustash. If the FRS had that it would totally turn me off from the car. I would have walked right past it. And that's my opinion if the BRZ. The front end ruins the whole look

Also I've stated before if no FRS there wouldn't be a BRZ. And BRZ owners think they own a Subaru. It's not a Subaru not a real one anyway it's a Toyota 86 with a boxer engine, the only part of it that's Subaru. Face it, like us you drive gt86's and if you read any readits, the real Subaru guys don't claim the BRZ as part of them

No offense really

I am late to this party, but just chiming in my 2 cents.

I am the opposite of the poster above; I chose the BRZ because I like the front end way better than the FR-S. The front bumper is just cleaner in my opinion, and the black housings on the headlights instead of chrome, the LED boomerangs in the headlights, the standard HID's, and the LED running lights all make the front of this car MUCH more attractive than the FR-S in my opinion.

And that's just what it is; MY opinion, just likes yours is yours. I won't bash it!

The one part that irked me about your post was saying it's not a "real" Subaru...I'm sorry, but who builds the car? Yes, all of them. Subaru does. Toyota designed the car, provided some parts-bin items like the push-start, the proximity key, the heated seat switches etc. and threw in the D4S fuel injection. It's a Subaru motor in a car BUILT BY SUBARU!! That makes it a Subaru to me.

I will agree that the brand has more "panache" too. Scion, to me at least, was never a "real" brand. Lexus and Toyota have the perception of being 2 different companies even though we know they are one and the same; Scion doesn't have that perception. I still look at a Scion (any Scion) and think "that's just a Toyota with a stupid name and an ugly badge on it". There's another point; Scion (again, in MY opinion) is a stupid name for a brand and they could have done better.

Back to the main topic at hand...Genesis vs BRZ/FR-S. Let's just say I work at a Hyundai dealership, selling new Hyundai product, and I picked the BRZ. I was THIS close to buying a 2013 Genesis 2.0T, because of the power. I came out of a 400hp+ 335i before this, so giving up all that power was tough. But honestly, the power was the only thing I really liked about the Gen. Everything else felt rubbery. The shifter, the clutch, the gas pedal, the steering...none of it felt even remotely as "connected" as the BRZ does. Plus it's massive compared to the twins. I took one drive in a BRZ and it changed my mind immediately.

The 3.8 is a whole different story because of the extra oomph, but with that comes even more weight and less fuel economy. I'll admit the new 3.8 is nice, but still doesn't hold a candle in my eyes.

My ex had a 2010 2.0T and I wouldn't touch a first-gen with a very long pole. 210hp in that massive car simply wasn't enough; the second-gen remedied this by switching engines and bumping to 274hp, but it still wasn't enough to over-come the faults of the rest of the vehicle.

All this being said, a new 3.8 R-Spec 6MT is one of the best performance values you can get right now. Under $30k sticker in Canada for 348hp, Brembos, 19 inch wheels etc. etc. is hard to argue with.

Anyways, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

[darthpnoy1984]

Originally Posted by SLVRSRFR

I am late to this party, but just chiming in my 2 cents.



I am the opposite of the poster above; I chose the BRZ because I like the front end way better than the FR-S. The front bumper is just cleaner in my opinion, and the black housings on the headlights instead of chrome, the LED boomerangs in the headlights, the standard HID's, and the LED running lights all make the front of this car MUCH more attractive than the FR-S in my opinion.



And that's just what it is; MY opinion, just likes yours is yours. I won't bash it!



The one part that irked me about your post was saying it's not a "real" Subaru...I'm sorry, but who builds the car? Yes, all of them. Subaru does. Toyota designed the car, provided some parts-bin items like the push-start, the proximity key, the heated seat switches etc. and threw in the D4S fuel injection. It's a Subaru motor in a car BUILT BY SUBARU!! That makes it a Subaru to me.



I will agree that the brand has more "panache" too. Scion, to me at least, was never a "real" brand. Lexus and Toyota have the perception of being 2 different companies even though we know they are one and the same; Scion doesn't have that perception. I still look at a Scion (any Scion) and think "that's just a Toyota with a stupid name and an ugly badge on it". There's another point; Scion (again, in MY opinion) is a stupid name for a brand and they could have done better.



Back to the main topic at hand...Genesis vs BRZ/FR-S. Let's just say I work at a Hyundai dealership, selling new Hyundai product, and I picked the BRZ. I was THIS close to buying a 2013 Genesis 2.0T, because of the power. I came out of a 400hp+ 335i before this, so giving up all that power was tough. But honestly, the power was the only thing I really liked about the Gen. Everything else felt rubbery. The shifter, the clutch, the gas pedal, the steering...none of it felt even remotely as "connected" as the BRZ does. Plus it's massive compared to the twins. I took one drive in a BRZ and it changed my mind immediately.



The 3.8 is a whole different story because of the extra oomph, but with that comes even more weight and less fuel economy. I'll admit the new 3.8 is nice, but still doesn't hold a candle in my eyes.



My ex had a 2010 2.0T and I wouldn't touch a first-gen with a very long pole. 210hp in that massive car simply wasn't enough; the second-gen remedied this by switching engines and bumping to 274hp, but it still wasn't enough to over-come the faults of the rest of the vehicle.



All this being said, a new 3.8 R-Spec 6MT is one of the best performance values you can get right now. Under $30k sticker in Canada for 348hp, Brembos, 19 inch wheels etc. etc. is hard to argue with.



Anyways, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

I wish we could just get over this Subaru is better than badging brand x elitism ego already it's the same suspension, engine lol. No offense.


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[AdrianSaldana]

Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984

I wish we could just get over this Subaru is better than badging brand x elitism ego already it's the same suspension, engine lol. No offense.


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i dont even know why they even included scion should of been toyota and subaru only lol i dont really care tho

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by AdrianSaldana

i dont even know why they even included scion should of been toyota and subaru only lol i dont really care tho

Threesome?

[darthpnoy1984]

Originally Posted by AdrianSaldana

i dont even know why they even included scion should of been toyota and subaru only lol i dont really care tho

That's why first thing that needed to go was the badge and the headlights.

[darthpnoy1984]

Originally Posted by AdrianSaldana

i dont even know why they even included scion should of been toyota and subaru only lol i dont really care tho

Glad to know that I just wish some of you just need to get over this Subaru is better badge ego thing we're all part of the same family lmafo.


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[AdrianSaldana]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

Threesome?

haha its like the ugly friend

Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984

That's why first thing that needed to go was the badge and the headlights.

would of done the same
my brz is debadged so it makes no difference for me haha

[AdrianSaldana]

Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984

Glad to know that I just wish some of you just need to get over this Subaru is better badge ego thing we're all part of the same family lmafo.


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brz goku
frs vegeta

haha jk we all broskis now have a brewski

[SLVRSRFR]

Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984

Glad to know that I just wish some of you just need to get over this Subaru is better badge ego thing we're all part of the same family lmafo.


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I didn't say it was "better", it just has more history and "substance" behind it.

The Subaru name has been around a LOT longer than Scion, is sold world-wide (whereas Scion was a North America-only thing), and, to be blunt, Subaru is still in business, whereas we all know what happened to Scion.

I agree with the above poster who said the FR-S should've just been a Toyota from the start, and this is my main beef with the Scion brand as a whole; why was it necessary at all? Toyota used to have a reputation for building cars that delighted the senses, alongside their more pedestrian offerings. Names like Supra, MR2, Celica still ring true to a lot of enthusiasts. But "new" Toyota felt like they had to create a whole new "edgy" brand (and only in North America, I might add) to create this "perception" with the buyer. "You're not buying a Toyota; you're buying a Scion!". Nissan, to use one example, did not feel the need to do this when the Z came back, or when the GT-R finally arrived in North America. They're still sold as Nissan products, playing on the rich history of the brand and reminding the enthusiasts of old that yes; Nissan still builds exciting cars!

I don't think it was necessary at all. Every car that was sold as a Scion could have been sold as a Toyota, and would not have directly infringed on sales of any of Toyota's actual products. The whole thing just felt like a cheap marketing gimmick to me from the get-go, which is why the Subaru brand appealed more to me. As I mentioned in my first post, the looks of the car was the main deciding factor to me, but even if the Scion was the better-looking car, I'd much rather have a Subaru badge on it than a Scion badge.

That being said, I'll also agree that if I HAD bought an FR-S, I would have switched to Toyota badges immediately.

But again that's my opinion, and you may not share it. And that's okay!