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Grimlock · 06-22-2012, 08:32 AM

The past 10 cars that I've bought all had the same symptom shifting from first to second when cold. There's nothing that can really be done about it.

serith · 06-22-2012, 09:47 AM

Both my 06, and now 09 tC do the same thing when it's cold -- have to be careful with 2nd when it's cold.

DantKR · 06-22-2012, 11:04 AM

Start in 2nd

jdrxb9 · 06-22-2012, 11:09 AM

I also have this issue, but it is getting better as I approach 2000 miles. Double clutching and with rev matching can help. However, I've found that just being quick with the 1->2 shift so the revs don't drop in the first place is just as good if not better than trying to be slow and careful.

It was also brought up on the Scion side: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8437

Jayde · 06-22-2012, 11:22 AM

Glad to hear I'm not the only one noticing this.

WillieRX · 06-22-2012, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grimlock

The past 10 cars that I've bought all had the same symptom shifting from first to second when cold. There's nothing that can really be done about it.

Yep almost every manual car I have had displays similar symptoms when cold (especially in winter.) My WRX trans darn notchy to begin with. Nothing to fret about, double clutch it if your that worried.

rcm47 · 06-22-2012, 11:40 AM

I thought it was just me being a rookie with manual. lol. Maybe it is

Chewie4299 · 06-22-2012, 12:41 PM

My 2003 evo did this when the trans was cold. Fluid needs to warm up

BigFatFlip · 06-22-2012, 12:53 PM

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this, I felt sure this was going to be a warranty fix. I did notice though that even as its warmed up, 2nd, and sometimes 3rd, never gets completely smooth, as in I still feel a slight "clack" vs. and more quiet "slotting-in" as with 3rd and above. I've had this same problem in my old 98 Civic but a transmission oil change fixed it right up and made it all buttery smooth. Hopefully its the same in this case.

TylerD951 · 06-22-2012, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grimlock

The past 10 cars that I've bought all had the same symptom shifting from first to second when cold. There's nothing that can really be done about it.

My 944 and 944 Turbo did that too. It took a lot of force to get from 1st to 2nd when the trans was cold.

davisk6 · 06-22-2012, 02:45 PM

This is pretty typical for all cars with triple cone synchros in first and second. Subaru tends to use a thinner fluid to help with quick warm up, but its still pretty thick when cold. Just take your time and don't force it.

Turbowned · 06-22-2012, 04:55 PM

Ease it in, like a gentleman!

Gaen · 06-23-2012, 04:14 AM

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=283

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiteout fr-s

alright guys,

As I am the first person to actually let Toyobaru technicians fully diagnose my car, Subaru and Toyota sent 2 technicians each from Japan too actually diagnose my engine and these issues we are experiencing.

So, to begin, the issues are NOT normal and need to be fixed. The technicians fixed some valves, readjusted cam angles etc.. but I will get the full repair specs Monday. They are also tracking my car tomorrow and Sunday to get full engine read outs for future FR-S owners. So as of Monday any of you experiencing this problem will have a fix, and a quick one at that.

I have not had my car for a month now because of this but I can tell you that as long as I know that future owners will not experience these problems it was well worth it. Good luck to everyone who has had this issue and if you are still experiencing this please take your cars to the dealership over the next month and your problems should be addressed a lot sooner than mine!

inimitable · 06-24-2012, 12:51 AM

I was going to make a post about this myself. I have noticed the same thing. It's hard to get out of first, and into second, almost all of the time. Sometimes, it may be easier when I try to change gears while at higher rpms, and while accelerating.

The other option is to double-clutch it. If you try to pull out of first gear and it doesn't want to budge so smoothly (and you don't want to yank it), try easing off the gas (so don't get all jerky) and releasing the clutch completely. Then re-engage the clutch (and gas, if necessary) and, I've found, a lot of times it will work smoothly.

I thought/hoped this problem was exclusive to Hondas

I was hoping to have something nice and smooth. The transmission seems no better than my RSX type-s with 100K miles.

06-22-2012, 09:47 AM	#16
serith Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Drives: 2009 Scion tC RS 5.0 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 148 Thanks: 44 Thanked 63 Times in 33 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Both my 06, and now 09 tC do the same thing when it's cold -- have to be careful with 2nd when it's cold. __________________ 09 RS 5.0 -- #862 of 2000 -- 5spd

06-22-2012, 11:22 AM	#19
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06-22-2012, 12:41 PM	#22
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06-22-2012, 08:32 AM	#15
Grimlock Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: BRZ and NA Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 878 Thanks: 46 Thanked 270 Times in 167 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	The past 10 cars that I've bought all had the same symptom shifting from first to second when cold. There's nothing that can really be done about it.

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06-22-2012, 11:09 AM	#18
jdrxb9 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: ND2, formerly BRZ (MT/CBS) Location: PA Posts: 200 Thanks: 27 Thanked 73 Times in 42 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I also have this issue, but it is getting better as I approach 2000 miles. Double clutching and with rev matching can help. However, I've found that just being quick with the 1->2 shift so the revs don't drop in the first place is just as good if not better than trying to be slow and careful. It was also brought up on the Scion side: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8437

06-22-2012, 11:40 AM	#21
rcm47 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Drives: 13’ FRS (traded), 18’ CWP BRZ tS Location: California Posts: 605 Thanks: 589 Thanked 300 Times in 147 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I thought it was just me being a rookie with manual. lol. Maybe it is

06-22-2012, 12:53 PM	#23
BigFatFlip sleep, drive, eat, repeat Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: '13 BRZ, '12 Outback Location: Sack of Potatoes Posts: 4,431 Thanks: 2,630 Thanked 3,797 Times in 1,981 Posts Mentioned: 188 Post(s) Tagged: 4 Thread(s)	I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this, I felt sure this was going to be a warranty fix. I did notice though that even as its warmed up, 2nd, and sometimes 3rd, never gets completely smooth, as in I still feel a slight "clack" vs. and more quiet "slotting-in" as with 3rd and above. I've had this same problem in my old 98 Civic but a transmission oil change fixed it right up and made it all buttery smooth. Hopefully its the same in this case.

06-22-2012, 02:45 PM	#25
davisk6 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: BRZ Location: Massachusetts Posts: 82 Thanks: 13 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	This is pretty typical for all cars with triple cone synchros in first and second. Subaru tends to use a thinner fluid to help with quick warm up, but its still pretty thick when cold. Just take your time and don't force it.

06-24-2012, 12:51 AM	#28
inimitable Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: SSM 6-MT limited Location: NJ Posts: 99 Thanks: 8 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I was going to make a post about this myself. I have noticed the same thing. It's hard to get out of first, and into second, almost all of the time. Sometimes, it may be easier when I try to change gears while at higher rpms, and while accelerating. The other option is to double-clutch it. If you try to pull out of first gear and it doesn't want to budge so smoothly (and you don't want to yank it), try easing off the gas (so don't get all jerky) and releasing the clutch completely. Then re-engage the clutch (and gas, if necessary) and, I've found, a lot of times it will work smoothly. I thought/hoped this problem was exclusive to Hondas I was hoping to have something nice and smooth. The transmission seems no better than my RSX type-s with 100K miles.

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