2017 Toyota 86..More reliable? - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

stanleycjohn · 08-02-2016, 04:02 PM

Do you guys think they will be more serious about putting a polished product out since its got the toyota badge now? I mean there's got to be a bit more riding on it now right. They couldn't take any chances as far as reliability with the infamous Toyota name on it. Maybe a bit more quick to fix any issues that come up considering there are new parts involved in the engine

Tcoat · 08-02-2016, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by stanleycjohn

Do you guys think they will be more serious about putting a polished product out since its got the toyota badge now? I mean there's got to be a bit more riding on it now right. They couldn't take any chances as far as reliability with the infamous Toyota name on it. Maybe a bit more quick to fix any issues that come up considering there are new parts involved in the engine

Nothing changes because of the badging. It was always a Toyota everyplace else. They didn't make lower quality for Scion and higher for Toyota. The only difference was they had more options.

Shinigami301 · 08-02-2016, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza

More reliable than a 2013? Maybe Yes.

More reliable than a 2014-2016? Not Really.

In my experience in Japan (rather extensive) the phrase "Maybe yes" means "sorry, no" and "not really" means "F*** NO!!"

Just sayin'

Summerwolf · 08-02-2016, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by stanleycjohn

Do you guys think they will be more serious about putting a polished product out since its got the toyota badge now? I mean there's got to be a bit more riding on it now right. They couldn't take any chances as far as reliability with the infamous Toyota name on it. Maybe a bit more quick to fix any issues that come up considering there are new parts involved in the engine

No.

everythingsablur · 08-02-2016, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by stanleycjohn

Do you guys think they will be more serious about putting a polished product out since its got the toyota badge now? I mean there's got to be a bit more riding on it now right. They couldn't take any chances as far as reliability with the infamous Toyota name on it. Maybe a bit more quick to fix any issues that come up considering there are new parts involved in the engine

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Nothing changes because of the badging. It was always a Toyota everyplace else. They didn't make lower quality for Scion and higher for Toyota. The only difference was they had more options.

This. ^^^

It's not like they operated Scion as a completely separate entity with its own distribution channels and manufacturing. You'd be hard pressed to find a Scion buyer who didn't know it was a Toyota (heck, Scion dealerships are IN Toyota dealerships). That was always part of the Scion selling point; it's a Toyota, but with straight forward pricing (generally), less convoluted options (because there were so few), and more "youthful" styling, all of which were meant to be more approachable to younger buyers and break out of the older mindset of what a Toyota is (i.e. "my mom drives a Toyota, so why would I want to").

The Scion brand is purely a North American marketing construct. The same cars are sold as Toyota models throughout the rest of the world, they're all built in the same plants by the same workers. They just grab badges and logos from a different parts bin.

All that being said, the new 86 is still really built by Subaru, so the change in branding will have doubly no real impact on quality. Might increase quality slightly; one less box of parts (old Scion and FR-S tags) to worry about!

FX86 · 08-02-2016, 06:33 PM

get a 2017 BRZ...the engine will match the logo on the bumper

Lantana frs · 08-02-2016, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by stanleycjohn

Do you guys think they will be more serious about putting a polished product out since its got the toyota badge now? I mean there's got to be a bit more riding on it now right. They couldn't take any chances as far as reliability with the infamous Toyota name on it. Maybe a bit more quick to fix any issues that come up considering there are new parts involved in the engine

From my experience Toyota was very responsive to my warranty issues. Imo the fa20 has become a mature product and the minor revisions will not be problematic.

Shinigami301 · 08-02-2016, 08:35 PM

IMO Toyota is still kind of skating along on the legendary quality reputation it enjoyed through the early '00's.

Subaru is responsible for this product construction with design and some components from the Toyota supply chain. Ultimately we are depending on Subaru quality more than Toyota- if this were breakfast, Toyota would be the eggs, Subaru the ham. One animal participated, the other was committed.

Lantana frs · 08-02-2016, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Shinigami301

IMO Toyota is still kind of skating along on the legendary quality reputation it enjoyed through the early '00's.

Subaru is responsible for this product construction with design and some components from the Toyota supply chain. Ultimately we are depending on Subaru quality more than Toyota- if this were breakfast, Toyota would be the eggs, Subaru the ham. One animal participated, the other was committed.

Lol maybe so but when something goes wrong it's nice to have Toyota stand behind it.

Shinigami301 · 08-02-2016, 09:39 PM

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Lol maybe so but when something goes wrong it's nice to have Toyota stand behind it.

Oh, I certainly agree. If this were only available as a Subaru product, I would never have bought it. Perhaps slightly irrational but one cannot rationalize emotion- and I have a visceral negative response to many Subaru drivers in my region. Granola-eating-while-texting-clueless-driver fools.

Lantana frs · 08-02-2016, 09:56 PM

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Oh, I certainly agree. If this were only available as a Subaru product, I would never have bought it. Perhaps slightly irrational but one cannot rationalize emotion- and I have a visceral negative response to many Subaru drivers in my region. Granola-eating-while-texting-clueless-driver fools.

I've had good experiences with Toyota. They're dealerships are mostly large and impersonal but that's ok by me. Get me in and out the door as fast as you want. Lol

Packofcrows · 08-02-2016, 11:30 PM

Id rather buy a lightly used one or certified preowned from dealer than new for the fact that I can google or ft86 it up on any problems i may have. I doubt the new one will suffer the same exact problems as first gen. I am also sure they'll have problems as well. Every car does. The 350z did, the 2nd gen 350z did and 370z did. Bam.

RichardsFRS · 08-03-2016, 08:13 AM

Maybe my 13 was built on a monday? Dunno, but I don't see the unfit quality everyone else see's. Yes it makes noise but its a RACE CAR! right?

I really can't imagine the flag ship Miata being built as well or near as well as this car. I may be kiddin my self because I've never been in one but I just don't see it being much different in quality

Futaba · 08-03-2016, 08:57 AM

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So considering that the previous generation of FR-S/BRZ has so many small issues

Think of them as personality traits rather than issues and you'll be much happier.

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