2017 Toyota 86..More reliable?
 

So considering that the previous generation of FR-S/BRZ has so many small issues do you think that the refresh will solve the major issues and increase reliability. The ones I hear about so frequently seems to be taillight issues, engine troubles, and squeaks/rattles.

I am considering buying a 2017 Toyota 86 next summer so I only wonder because even though its a Toyota by badge, its a Subaru at the heart so it would never truly have Toyota reliability right? Its not a Toyota engine.

I guess only time will tell.

It will probably be a bit better but I think the things you listed are blown out of proportion from being on this forum.

The engine problems were mostly fixed within the first year.

The tail light gaskets were updated during the first year.

Engine is still the weakest point but the cam adjuster problems have been remedied already as well.

For squeaks and rattles, its a sub 30k car. You cant expect it to be built like a 50k German car. Any other sub 30k Japanese or American car with a stiff (ish) suspension will have the same rattles.

One could argue that the kouki needs a year to shake off any new bugs introduced by the refresh. Just do the maintenance and use the warranty, and enjoy it.

When I got my 13 my friend at the dealership told me to wait because "the quality is shit, some cars have wires hanging out", etc. Imo they were rushed to market. I doubt that will be the case with the 17s. Ive had an engine replaced but Toyota stood by it. Its an inexpensive sports car and im happy with it.

They were on sale as 2012's in the rest of the world, North America got them a bit later and shouldn't have had any "rushed to market" issues like terrible QC (wires hanging out).

Mine is an early 2012 build date, delivered July 2012 and I haven't had any serious issues at all. Tail lights were replaced under warranty, and everything else has been routine maintenance.

This. With the array of changes comes additional potential issues.

Go get the car and drive it hard. Do maintenance and enjoy the riot of a car you bought.

I understand your point and im not knocking the car. They accomplished a lot, especially given the price point ,but there were some teething issues.

More reliable than a 2013? Maybe Yes.

More reliable than a 2014-2016? Not Really.

They are made in a state of the art assembly plant with QC controls that would amaze you. Any "wires hanging out" would never pass inspection so doubt that they left the plant that way. There is no way to make them faster than they are just to "rush them to market". It isn't some back alley shop slapping cars together. Yes some hidden issues such as leaking tail light gaskets could show up later but there would be zero visible defects.


Any wires that were loose are more likely the result of port installed options (i.e. nav systems) where they could indeed rush the job and sneak through.
Or your "friend" is full of shit.

I think they dropped the psi of the factory turbo, so the 2017 should be more reliable.

Only does like 14psi instead of 18 like before.

Yeah well, I lost a state of the art rocker arm and a state of the art main bearing, then the state of the art short block failed before they put in a state of the art long block. Shit happens

Still has the boost spikes though which you need to look out for.

HIDDEN!
Hard for a QC inspector to see that now isn't it? Wires hanging out are generally pretty visible.


So you had a bad part and it blew that does not indicate the car was rushed through production.