Nameless Header Wrapping?

[Maverick986]

I'm planning on purchasing, from Nameless Performance, their ceramic coated header. I have seen some people wrap these headers, however I'm wondering if that is necessary, being they are ceramic coated already?

Exhaust plans:
Nameless 3" ceramic coated header
Nameless 3" downpipe/overpipe, with 2.5" outlet
Perrin 2.5" catback
2.5" setup is until I go FI, which I think this setup will work for?

Thank you for all input!

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[Shady195]

Originally Posted by Maverick986

I'm planning on purchasing, from Nameless Performance, their ceramic coated header. I have seen some people wrap these headers, however I'm wondering if that is necessary, being they are ceramic coated already?

Exhaust plans:
Nameless 3" ceramic coated header
Nameless 3" downpipe/overpipe, with 2.5" outlet
Perrin 2.5" catback
2.5" setup is until I go FI, which I think this setup will work for?

Thank you for all input!

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2.5 will be fine unless you're shooting for big numbers

Wrapping isn't needed, but it will certainly help more with underhood temps. I guess its a question for you of whether or not spending the money, taking the time and aggravation along with fiberglass splinters is worth it to you.

[Maverick986]

My idea is buying the 3" header now, to avoid buying another in the future when I go FI. However not having personal experience with FI before, not sure of I would have to anyway?

My largest concern with wrapping is having read about headers failing earlier than without, and some cases of fires. Pertaining to failures, I know the header is stainless and coated, so not sure if that eliminates the chances of early failure?

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[Shady195]

Originally Posted by Maverick986

My idea is buying the 3" header now, to avoid buying another in the future when I go FI. However not having personal experience with FI before, not sure of I would have to anyway?

My largest concern with wrapping is having read about headers failing earlier than without, and some cases of fires. Pertaining to failures, I know the header is stainless and coated, so not sure if that eliminates the chances of early failure?

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IF you plan on going turbo, unless you go with the WORKS/Ptuning kit you will be required to change your header, however if you go supercharged you would be fine..

There is some debate about the affects of heat wrap with headers, there is no doubt that insulating heat can cause a quicker break down of the metal, especially when oxidation is introduced via the elements.

The only instances of heat wrap catching on fire I'm aware of are due to an inferior material or due to leaks soaking into the wrap itself.

[Maverick986]

At the moment I'm thinking turbo, however open to a supercharger, since I'm looking at it happening a ways out still (1-2+ yrs).

Reguarless of header I buy now, will I be looking at replacing down the road if I go with a turbo, other than a WORKS or Ptuning?

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[armstrom]

Yes, the works/ptuning kit is the only major turbo kit that does not use a custom exhaust manifold. I remember reading about a kit a smaller shop was putting together that could be bought in pieces. His plan was to sell the manifold alone and include an extra piece of piping to adapt to the stock exhaust without a turbo in place. You could then buy the turbo later. I'm not sure if that ever came to the market though.

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[churchx]

Hmm, how about JDL headers then? Aren't their ELs designed two piece for optional turbo with different collector pipe part?

[armstrom]

I don't believe so, no. The turbo manifold and headers they sell appear to be quite different.

[armstrom]

The kit I was thinking of that allows for a modular header/turbo manifold is the Revolutions Performance kit.. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...er#post1599499

If you want to stage your build-out in such a way, then you should probably talk to them as I haven't seen any other vendors offering this option.

Keep in mind, I'm not endorsing the kit or anything. I have never seen one in person or done extensive research on the results they've achieved. I just recalled seeing that the offered a NA Header -> Turbo Manifold upgrade path. I do like that they seem to be a smaller independent shop that designs and manufactures their parts here in the US though.

Edit: Also, note that they have not posted on the forums since 2014 so they may not even be in the game any more. Just forwarding the information

-Matt

[Maverick986]

From doing a little looking around this morning, it appears regardless of the header I go with mow, I will have to purchase a new one when going FI, correct me if I'm wrong please.

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[armstrom]

Originally Posted by Maverick986

From doing a little looking around this morning, it appears regardless of the header I go with mow, I will have to purchase a new one when going FI, correct me if I'm wrong please.

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Not exactly. If you go with a supercharger you can re-use pretty much any header you want. I'm sure there are exceptions to this as I've seen some VERY long headers that intrude way up in front of the engine and some SC kits place the supercharger there... but I'd say if you stick with one of the mainstream headers you will have no problems.

Running a turbo is a different story. 90% of all available turbo kits include a turbo manifold that replaces the stock exhaust manifold/header and the overpipe. These systems typically route the exhaust back to the inlet of the stock frontpipe. The only turbo kit I'm aware of that KEEPS the stock exhaust manifold is the WORKS kit. It replaces the stock overpipe with an up-pipe, the turbo and a down-pipe that mates back up with the stock front pipe. That means if your aftermarket headers retain the stock overpipe, you can use them with the WORKS kit. Some headers replace the stock manifold AND the overpipe so those will not work with the WORKS kit.

The odd-ball of the group is the Revolutions Performance kit (assuming it's still available). Their kit is basically the same as all other turbo kits in that it includes a custom turbo manifold to replace the stock manifold, but they designed it in such a way that they could also supply an adapter pipe to convert the turbo manifold into a NA header (basically, bypass the turbo). Most other turbo kits could do this as well, they just choose not to sell the components separately or offer such an adapter pipe.

This diagram of the BRZ/FRS exhaust system will help to correlate names of the parts I've been mentioning. http://blog.perrinperformance.com/wp...st-diagram.jpg

[Maverick986]

I lean towards turbos, since I'm more intrested in making power at a track and not on the street, where I will be reving higher/enough for a turbo. As a DD, I'm not worried about building a lot of boost or going fast, so not using the turbo to its full potential there doesn't bother me.

In relation to 2.5" vs 3" for NA, I know going full 3" exhaust can/does cause a loss of power low in the rpm range (I may be confusing terms writing this, however understand the concept). Would going 3" for the header, then reducing to 2.5" after the front pipe still cause this because the header is 3", or does the reduction at "any" point in the system give enough back pressure to prevent the loss?

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[ndreim]

Just got the nameless headers installed 3" flange to 2.5" overpipe to stock frontpipe. Fitment works.

I wouldn't wrap these headers in case they get ruined by it, the ceramic coating already does the job of insulation well. These headers get hot, ceramic coating all the way.

Slight rasp because they're catless, I heard changing out the catback to q300 eliminates that.

This header is best for NA applications, the long tube design and cam timing changing (in the tune) is what makes this header get you these crazy power gains.

[Maverick986]

Originally Posted by ndreim

Just got the nameless headers installed 3" flange to 2.5" overpipe to stock frontpipe. Fitment works.

I wouldn't wrap these headers in case they get ruined by it, the ceramic coating already does the job of insulation well. These headers get hot, ceramic coating all the way.

Slight rasp because they're catless, I heard changing out the catback to q300 eliminates that.

This header is best for NA applications, the long tube design and cam timing changing (in the tune) is what makes this header get you these crazy power gains.

Sounds very similar to what I'm planning This helps my decision to go with the Nameless header and overpipe, and figure out a turbo setup when I get there.

May I suggest posting a video of the exhaust sound you're getting? From research I've done there's near to nothing showing the Nameless header joining up with a stock exhaust.

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