Tuner Won't Release License

[steve99]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I actually tried right now, I have an unlocked tune but regardless, I didn't see any options to download the tune.

Closest thing I saw was "dump details for Ecutek" but that seemed like something that would create a log, not download the tune file.

yeah im pretty sure their is some function to read and send new/unknown roms to ecutek so they can produce definitions ect

[steve99]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I actually tried right now, I have an unlocked tune but regardless, I didn't see any options to download the tune.

Closest thing I saw was "dump details for Ecutek" but that seemed like something that would create a log, not download the tune file.

just reading ecutek info looks like the guy is snookered


Can ProECU BRZ read my tuned ROM out of the ECU ?
No, ProECU BRZ does not have READ ROM ability.


Can ProECU BRZ make a back-up copy of the ECU before programming?
Yes, ProECU BRZ can read the ECU ROM by choosing DUMP DETAILS FOR ECUTEK but this ROM cannot be viewed or edited by any customer or tuner. It can only be decoded by EcuTek under special circumstances.



http://www.ecutek.com/Products/Retai...roECU-BRZ-FAQs



http://www.ecutek.com/Forms/ROM-Dump-Form

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by steve99

just reading ecutek info looks like the guy is snookered


Can ProECU BRZ read my tuned ROM out of the ECU ?
No, ProECU BRZ does not have READ ROM ability.


Can ProECU BRZ make a back-up copy of the ECU before programming?
Yes, ProECU BRZ can read the ECU ROM by choosing DUMP DETAILS FOR ECUTEK but this ROM cannot be viewed or edited by any customer or tuner. It can only be decoded by EcuTek under special circumstances.



http://www.ecutek.com/Products/Retai...roECU-BRZ-FAQs



http://www.ecutek.com/Forms/ROM-Dump-Form

Stupid really... If the tune is in the customer ECU why wouldn't they be able to download it to their computer..

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[steve99]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

Stupid really... If the tune is in the customer ECU why wouldn't they be able to download it to their computer..

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yeah , but maybe it a limitation of the licencing/lock and it would allow persons to circumvent the dongle id or tune locking


the dongle id might not be encoded in ecu, their is only 14 bytes used by ecutek licience including the ecutek flash counter

[RedFR-s]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I actually tried right now, I have an unlocked tune but regardless, I didn't see any options to download the tune.

Closest thing I saw was "dump details for Ecutek" but that seemed like something that would create a log, not download the tune file.

Damn. Too bad that didn't work.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by steve99

yeah , but maybe it a limitation of the licencing/lock and it would allow persons to circumvent the dongle id or tune locking


the dongle id might not be encoded in ecu, their is only 14 bytes used by ecutek licience including the ecutek flash counter

Gotcha. You're right, that might be it.

Thanks for all the help as usual man.

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[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

Stupid really... If the tune is in the customer ECU why wouldn't they be able to download it to their computer..

Then again, most tuners would email you your tune....

[steve99]

Originally Posted by RedFR-s

Damn. Too bad that didn't work.

"Can ProECU BRZ make a back-up copy of the ECU before programming?
Yes, ProECU BRZ can read the ECU ROM by choosing DUMP DETAILS FOR ECUTEK but this ROM cannot be viewed or edited by any customer or tuner. It can only be decoded by EcuTek under special circumstances."


Im not sure what is classed a special circumstance , but maybe ask ecutek in UK if they will decode the dump file and send you a locked copy assigned to your dongle since tuner wont, worth a try. Even if they chage you something it might be worth it, i doubt they will send to editable version but even the locked copy is something.

Their might be similar circumstances where say someone buys a secondhand car with ecutek tune and want a copy of tune to flash back if needed.

[COO86L]

So do you want a copy of your tune the actually access it? Or only so you can log against it?

If you want to access/change it - Good luck, I'll wait here.

If you only want it for logging purposes so you can use "Map Access" and log all your data etc, a stock EcuTek ROM of the same CALID (Calibration ID) will work perfectly. The only way it WOULDN'T work, is if there were custom maps in your current tune for things such as speed density, Ethanol Content etc. These aren't things you will likely need/want to log.

So to log data, you'll have to open a ROM which you can find under open ROM, then there is an EcuTek ROM folder which you can choose your appropriate CALID. If you are unsure, first go to tools, then identify vehicle (I think that's the option, sorry I'm not at home)

An EcuTek ROM/tuned file; that is one that isn't stock, is "keyed" which means that only a certain dongle ID/Cable ID/ProECU ID can open and access the maps. If your tuner did the tune in person on the dyno, you'll find it was probably keyed to his dongle OR he hasn't keyed it at all, as it isn't possible to read an EcuTek tune from the ECU as it changes access rights etc.

In regards to the license, as everyone has stated it is embedded into the ECU. Even if you tune using a different software package, the license info is still current in the ECU. There forever really.

Your tuner is correct in telling you to just use a stock ROM for logging purposes as EcuTek just uses this as a reference for the data it is seeing.

[vgi]

Originally Posted by COO86L

So do you want a copy of your tune the actually access it? Or only so you can log against it?

he would want to have his tune on hands in order if he decides to go back to that tune. that is a VERY reasonable wish since he did pay for the tune, he should be able to flash it on at any time without going back to the tuner.

Originally Posted by COO86L

If you want to access/change it - Good luck, I'll wait here.

shouldn't be long waiting, it's doable. if i'm not mistaken shiv's done it, who knows how many other people can do it.

[vgi]

@RedFR-s since your negotiations with the tuner have gone nowhere i really think you should post the tuner/company name in here so other people don't get in the same situation.

[COO86L]

Originally Posted by vgi

he would want to have his tune on hands in order if he decides to go back to that tune. that is a VERY reasonable wish since he did pay for the tune, he should be able to flash it on at any time without going back to the tuner.



shouldn't be long waiting, it's doable. if i'm not mistaken shiv's done it, who knows how many other people can do it.

Oh I agree on both counts. The number of tune files I have due to revisions/tweaks...
I don't disagree, the tuner should be able to provide a keyed tune for him as he has payed for such. That way, he can always revert to it later etc etc.

[RedFR-s]

Originally Posted by COO86L

So do you want a copy of your tune the actually access it? Or only so you can log against it?

If you want to access/change it - Good luck, I'll wait here.

If you only want it for logging purposes so you can use "Map Access" and log all your data etc, a stock EcuTek ROM of the same CALID (Calibration ID) will work perfectly. The only way it WOULDN'T work, is if there were custom maps in your current tune for things such as speed density, Ethanol Content etc. These aren't things you will likely need/want to log.

So to log data, you'll have to open a ROM which you can find under open ROM, then there is an EcuTek ROM folder which you can choose your appropriate CALID. If you are unsure, first go to tools, then identify vehicle (I think that's the option, sorry I'm not at home)

An EcuTek ROM/tuned file; that is one that isn't stock, is "keyed" which means that only a certain dongle ID/Cable ID/ProECU ID can open and access the maps. If your tuner did the tune in person on the dyno, you'll find it was probably keyed to his dongle OR he hasn't keyed it at all, as it isn't possible to read an EcuTek tune from the ECU as it changes access rights etc.

In regards to the license, as everyone has stated it is embedded into the ECU. Even if you tune using a different software package, the license info is still current in the ECU. There forever really.

Your tuner is correct in telling you to just use a stock ROM for logging purposes as EcuTek just uses this as a reference for the data it is seeing.

Sorry to necro an old thread, but I tried this for logging and it worked.

I was hoping to have a copy of the tune available in case I ever needed a reflash without having to go back to my tuner for it. Never had any intention of having an unlocked file to edit as that is their livelihood.

[RedFR-s]

Originally Posted by vgi

@RedFR-s since your negotiations with the tuner have gone nowhere i really think you should post the tuner/company name in here so other people don't get in the same situation.

I have warned others in my area of the general attitude and customer service from this individual but unfortunately our options up here are very limited. I'm moving to the US soon and plan on getting E85 and a new tune done on the car. Hopefully that works out better.