Todoroki Front Fenders

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Codythatsme

Hey man! My fenders just arrived, by reading this thread I thought that you only had to cut the frame when you were running wide wheels, but after test fitting the fender, it hits the frame and won't bolt on down the bottom. Just wondering exactly what part you need to grind off?

Yep, that piece that it hits is what you need to cut. You'll end up cutting a good inch or so off that frame piece where the fender hits.

[nima314]

@TylerLieberman

Yeah, I thought 265's would be too much. Maybe I'll get 255's with a little less offset?

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[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by nima314

@TylerLieberman

Yeah, I thought 265's would be too much. Maybe I'll get 255's with a little less offset?

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You can. Just gotta see what exactly you're trying to cheap and do some research on what will work best for your application.

At least now you know that you have a way to get what you're looking for. Coilovers to lower the car; just not too much. Front LCAs to widen your front track and fill up the Todoroki fenders, without affecting wheel offset.

You could realistically just buy some 18x9.5 +38 wheels with 255s or 265s and call it a day at that point. No need for spacers or anything like that. Just need the coilovers and arms to adjust the alignment, accordingly.

[nima314]

Awesome man. Really glad I talked to someone. Thanks again for going through it with a noob. Sounds great. What brand tyre did you get? So I can check how many inches wide your 265's were and do a little maths to make sure my tyre doesn't stick out of the guard at all, or else I'll be screwed. So relieved that I can still get these fenders!

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[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by nima314

Awesome man. Really glad I talked to someone. Thanks again for going through it with a noob. Sounds great. What brand tyre did you get? So I can check how many inches wide your 265's were and do a little maths to make sure my tyre doesn't stick out of the guard at all, or else I'll be screwed. So relieved that I can still get these fenders!

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I used Dunlop DZ012s

[slammedstance]

whats the going rate now for these fenders? and where to buy?

[Calbee]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

^^
18x9.5 +40 Volk TE37SL
265/35R18 Dunlop DZ102 all around
-2.3 / -1.6 camber (f/r)
7,7,5,5mm Parts Shop Max Spacers (24mm total) front
3mm Part Shop Max Spacers rear

Final wheel spec: 18x9.5 +16 (front) / 18x9.5 +37 (rear)



Car rubbed a little bit all around under hard cornering. Also was damn near impossible to run the corner lights at this height with this wheel setup. If I did it again, I'd get LCAs up front to widen the track and go up to about -3 camber. More inward clearance, and I would be able to ditch the spacers.

Another pic to show how dead on the fitment was up front.

Very informative post.

I am planning on getting 18x10 +38 Meisters with O disk in the front. Was wondering what spacers I would need to get similar fitment. I am planning on running a 265/35/18 tire. My other concern is that I want to be able to fit STi brembos in the future, but do not want to go with the A/R/T disks options. I figure with the amount of spacers I would have, it would be enough to clear the brakes?

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Calbee

Very informative post.

I am planning on getting 18x10 +38 Meisters with O disk in the front. Was wondering what spacers I would need to get similar fitment. I am planning on running a 265/35/18 tire. My other concern is that I want to be able to fit STi brembos in the future, but do not want to go with the A/R/T disks options. I figure with the amount of spacers I would have, it would be enough to clear the brakes?

18x10 +38 will be 15.7mm sunk in compared to my setup, so you would need a 15mm spacer to basically have the same thing.

Keep in mind I also rubbed a little bit under compression when going around corners at higher speeds.

[nima314]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

I used Dunlop DZ012s

Hey man, how's your car doing? You mentioned that going for a 255 over a 265 tyre won't affect the flush because the rim is still 9.5, are you sure it wouldn't make a difference at all? I was thinking of finding the exact inches/cm's width for the 265's vs 255's for the Dunlop's so I can make sure it's as flush as possible on paper.

Also, you said yours poke out a bit, but the front looks pretty perfect, did you mean the bottom pokes out because of the camber?

Lastly, I reread the laws and it says new rims can only be 1" wider than the biggest stock of that model, which is 7" I'm pretty sure. Pretty ridiculous seeing as there's no harm with wider rims. Also who checks that anyway, and would getting 8" wide ruin the flush as my LCAs will make it potentially +11 offset in the front?

Thanks again for all the help. It's so hard to wait for this car hahaha.

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[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by nima314

Hey man, how's your car doing? You mentioned that going for a 255 over a 265 tyre won't affect the flush because the rim is still 9.5, are you sure it wouldn't make a difference at all? I was thinking of finding the exact inches/cm's width for the 265's vs 255's for the Dunlop's so I can make sure it's as flush as possible on paper.

I sold my car almost a year ago. I don't even live in Oklahoma anymore, so I couldn't possibly even tell you how the car is doing with the new owner; even though I don't even know who bought it lol.

In regards to tires, yes. The WHEEL is what is the determining factor in how flush it sits to the body, specifically the offset. While the tire can have a role in the clearance, or the overall look of the setup, the wheel and alignment spec are what is going to have the final say.

Take a look at this: http://www.willtheyfit.com/index.php...culate#content

I put in 18x9.5 +40 for the wheel size on both. The tire size is 265/35 on one, and 255/35 on the other. Notice that the wheel itself doesn't change, because the WHEEL specs didn't change. Because of the tire size changing, it minimally altered the overall diameter and the clearance, but that's it.

Here's another one, but the tire sizes are 265/35 and 225/40: http://www.willtheyfit.com/index.php...culate#content

Again, wheel remains in the same spot, but the tire fitment onto the wheel itself has changed quite a bit. The stretching of the sidewall would allow for less camber, due to the added clearance, compared to a squared tire (265/35), but the wheel itself still hasn't changed in how it "fits".

Originally Posted by nima314

Also, you said yours poke out a bit, but the front looks pretty perfect, did you mean the bottom pokes out because of the camber?

The Todoroki fenders are a bit weird. Look at the picture of my car from the front. It looks like there's a bit of clearance under the front fenders. Then look at it from the rear. The front wheels look like they're dead on flush, maybe poking a couple mm's. The Todoroki's have this curve in them, that can alter the appearance of the wheel fitment, depending on where you look at it from. It was pretty much 100% flush with the fender, MAYBE poking a mm or two, but that's it.

Originally Posted by nima314

Lastly, I reread the laws and it says new rims can only be 1" wider than the biggest stock of that model, which is 7" I'm pretty sure. Pretty ridiculous seeing as there's no harm with wider rims. Also who checks that anyway, and would getting 8" wide ruin the flush as my LCAs will make it potentially +11 offset in the front?

Here's my setup, compared to a 18x8 +11 setup: http://www.willtheyfit.com/index.php...culate#content

As you can see, your setup would 14.1mm away from having the same fitment that mine did. I think it was said earlier that spacers aren't really an option, but I don't know. It also depends with what offset the wheels are before you even adjust the LCA.

On another note, if you could squeeze a 9j wheel, a +11 would be 1.3mm away from what mine was. I mean, I've seen a load of people in AUS using 9.5 and 10j wheels on their cars.

Originally Posted by nima314

Thanks again for all the help. It's so hard to wait for this car hahaha.

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No problem.

[nima314]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

I sold my car almost a year ago. I don't even live in Oklahoma anymore, so I couldn't possibly even tell you how the car is doing with the new owner; even though I don't even know who bought it lol.

In regards to tires, yes. The WHEEL is what is the determining factor in how flush it sits to the body, specifically the offset. While the tire can have a role in the clearance, or the overall look of the setup, the wheel and alignment spec are what is going to have the final say.

Take a look at this: http://www.willtheyfit.com/index.php...culate#content

I put in 18x9.5 +40 for the wheel size on both. The tire size is 265/35 on one, and 255/35 on the other. Notice that the wheel itself doesn't change, because the WHEEL specs didn't change. Because of the tire size changing, it minimally altered the overall diameter and the clearance, but that's it.

Here's another one, but the tire sizes are 265/35 and 225/40: http://www.willtheyfit.com/index.php...culate#content

Again, wheel remains in the same spot, but the tire fitment onto the wheel itself has changed quite a bit. The stretching of the sidewall would allow for less camber, due to the added clearance, compared to a squared tire (265/35), but the wheel itself still hasn't changed in how it "fits".



The Todoroki fenders are a bit weird. Look at the picture of my car from the front. It looks like there's a bit of clearance under the front fenders. Then look at it from the rear. The front wheels look like they're dead on flush, maybe poking a couple mm's. The Todoroki's have this curve in them, that can alter the appearance of the wheel fitment, depending on where you look at it from. It was pretty much 100% flush with the fender, MAYBE poking a mm or two, but that's it.



Here's my setup, compared to a 18x8 +11 setup: http://www.willtheyfit.com/index.php...culate#content

As you can see, your setup would 14.1mm away from having the same fitment that mine did. I think it was said earlier that spacers aren't really an option, but I don't know. It also depends with what offset the wheels are before you even adjust the LCA.

On another note, if you could squeeze a 9j wheel, a +11 would be 1.3mm away from what mine was. I mean, I've seen a load of people in AUS using 9.5 and 10j wheels on their cars.



No problem.

Yeah, my friend had 10.5 in the back but for another car. Really thanks a lot for that, it really helped clear a lot of things up.

Hopefully my final questions are, how were the fenders? Did you feel like they were worth it? Did it make a big difference and you fell in love, or was it more of a meh moment? Also, does the extension allow for body kits or just splitters to be installed? Even if it supports a body kit, I guess it might look weird all together because of how the extension looks.

Let's say I don't get the fenders. Strictly legal speaking I could use LCAs in front and rear to get perfect fitment on 8" wheels, and because they're 8" and I'm widening track width, would that mean less camber, or/and no fender rubbing?

Once again, thank you so much and I really appreciate all the help. What're you driving now by the way?

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[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by nima314

Yeah, my friend had 10.5 in the back but for another car. Really thanks a lot for that, it really helped clear a lot of things up.

Hopefully my final questions are, how were the fenders? Did you feel like they were worth it? Did it make a big difference and you fell in love, or was it more of a meh moment? Also, does the extension allow for body kits or just splitters to be installed? Even if it supports a body kit, I guess it might look weird all together because of how the extension looks.

Let's say I don't get the fenders. Strictly legal speaking I could use LCAs in front and rear to get perfect fitment on 8" wheels, and because they're 8" and I'm widening track width, would that mean less camber, or/and no fender rubbing?

Once again, thank you so much and I really appreciate all the help. What're you driving now by the way?

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Todoroki's are the best for this car in my opinion. All the Rocket Bunny, Lux Motion etc etc stuff look like absolute sh*t to me. Tacked on, and don't even flow with the body lines. The only other ones that come close are Victory Function, but those are disgusting on these cars. They look way better on the Evo's.

In regards to the track width, I can't answer that. It all comes down to how much the track width is increased. When you increase track width, you're going to increase negative camber. To counter that, you'll have to adjust the camber plates to balance it out. By doing that, you'll find what works best to get the desired results.

And I'm driving a '16 STI now. Have had it for almost a year now.

[nima314]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Todoroki's are the best for this car in my opinion. All the Rocket Bunny, Lux Motion etc etc stuff look like absolute sh*t to me. Tacked on, and don't even flow with the body lines. The only other ones that come close are Victory Function, but those are disgusting on these cars. They look way better on the Evo's.

In regards to the track width, I can't answer that. It all comes down to how much the track width is increased. When you increase track width, you're going to increase negative camber. To counter that, you'll have to adjust the camber plates to balance it out. By doing that, you'll find what works best to get the desired results.

And I'm driving a '16 STI now. Have had it for almost a year now.

Alright, awesome, thanks. I'll probably get the fenders then. Okay so the 1" maximum rim width is a section for raising 4WD cars. I can get a tyre up to 275 and thus a rim up to 10.5/11". So looks like 255 with a 9.5 is possible.

However, I reread the laws and the track width is a maximum of 25mm, thus a 12.5mm offset each way, which probably means no widening with LCAs.

Awesome, hope you're enjoying the STi.

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Customer car I did the paint and install on