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Test drive is later this afternoon, lol
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They don't NEED a Z, or a GTR, or a Silvia any more than they need a new rwd 510 lineup. For myself, I see a MUCH greater need for a new small/lightweight/economical rwd sedan/hatch than I do for a 3300 lb. Z or 3800 lb. GT-R... Actually, doing a 510 lineup and basing a new lighter-weight Z on that might make more sense than going head-to-head against the FR-S/BRZ. As Toyobaru has discovered, if you go into a market segment that's been overlooked for literally over a decade, you find a lot of pent-up demand and easy sales. |
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ZDan, we have differing opinions. I respect yours, but disagree.
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FINAL DECISION:
After test drive the FRS, here's what I felt: Pros: 1.The handling of the FRS is super! Seriously feel like a smaller BMW, or a S2K with a softer spring. I dun feel its like the Miata, Miata is very soft. It turns so easy, so effortless, and that feel is just magic. VERY GOOD JOB. 2. The clutch and shifting feel is smooth and sweet, steering is mind connecting. I will say my mom can drive it fast. Compare to the 370Z's steel hard clutch and shifting feel, the FRS is like dancing on the water, if u know what i mean. 3. This seat melts my butt! Omg! feels so dang good, the driving position is so so sweet. Good eye sight, nice placement of the handbreak, and its a short shifter. But I felt the stick a little too long, I will love it if its shorter. 4. I love the light weight! But it felt heavier than what it should weight. I think because of the suspension and wheel set up. Drive this thing through the twisting road just so much fun, I can do it all day long. But I wish I can pull the handbreak, or push the engine harder, but its a new car, can't do that. But still, what a muther fukin awesome handling car!! Cons: 1. Lack of power, especially I mean the torque. 200hp should be enough for me, this thing can go so fast in fact. But the torque, it just dun pick up. I mean, no matter I was on a straight pull, or exiting corners, going up and down, I can feel the lag. Not something like a turbo lag, but it kills the feeling somehow, because all that handling is so good, but suddenly I just can't get things going because of the power, no, I mean the torque! If this thing has a little bit more power, it will immediately become a killer, I mean it! In fact, this seemed the only down side of this car for me. I dun care about what ppl say about the cheap interior, how small is the back seat, or whatever. All I care about is the performance. The interior doesn't look cheap to me, that fake carbon fiber doesn't annoy me at all. And I have to say, the interior is very good, in this price. Summary: A very very very good sports car! In this price, it beats any new car now, IMO. This handling is so dang good, and there is still a lot space to improve. Look at that engine bay, it can fit my husky in there. But sadly, I might say the S2K is still better, but so so close. As a daily driver, the FRS wins. Get back the compare to the 370z. The FRS's seat, clutch and shifter kicks the 370z's butt. I mean if anyone ever get a chance, go try a 370z then a FRS. U might break the FRS's clutch and shifter by used to the 370z's, because it just so soft and smooth. U can't adjust the length for the steering wheel's neck in a 370, only up and down. But other than that, nothing beats the 370. Yes, the FRS does handles great, but not yet to compare to the 370. IMO, the FRS is more friendly to most of the drivers, but if u know what u r doing, the 370z surely handles as good as the FRS, and even better. In other words, its easier to drive a FRS than a 370z. I can imagine, if the FRS has the same power as the 370, I think ppl will begin to complaint about the car is hard to control, lol. Long words short, so far, the FRS needs to be better to beat the 370, IMO. I KEEP MY Z, period. THANKS TO EVERYONE THAT SHARE THEIR OPINIONS WITH ME, YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME!!! Here r some pics: "Your submission could not be processed because a security token was missing. If this occurred unexpectedly, please inform the administrator and describe the action you performed before you received this error." |
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Subaru for years didn't understand that there were PLENTY of customers for the WRX in the U.S. A similar sedan/hatch but rwd instead of awd would be cheaper and have greater appeal to a lot of enthusiasts (like me). Quote:
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Speaking of the Miata, that's another instance of a market segment (small, lightweight, economical rwd 2-seat roadster) that had been abandoned, though demand was there. There hasn't been a small, lightweight, economical rwd sedan or sedan-based hatch on the US market for decades. You wouldn't sell as many as Mazda sells Mazda3s, but I bet you'd sell as many as Subaru sells Imprezas. RWD should be cheaper to build than awd. Risk? Yes, but by sharing the platform with a new smaller/lighter Z *and* a new Silvia, risk is heavily mitigated. |
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The FRS will appeal to more people because it's a more utilitarian vehicle. WRX proved that hot utilitarian vehicles do indeed have a market. I certainly don't have full knowledge of the market (neither does anyone else), but IMO small/lightweight rwd cars have huge appeal to a decent-sized community of enthusiasts. In any case, it would be very cool to see someone give it a shot. And again, you'd share the risk over three or more different vehicles: New smaller/lighter Z New Silvia New 510 2-, 3-, 4-, 5-doors (some combination thereof). |
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How are you coming along with the concept of power to weight? |
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But anyway, *why* would you rather see power/weight addressed only on the POWER side of the equation? For most tracks (Nurburgring and other particularly high-speed tracks which you will most likely never go to excepted), power makes you faster in a straight line, whereas lighter-weight makes you faster everywhere... |
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Also, since you're fond of nitpicking semantics, I was trying to close our Power/Weight argument rather than prolong it, which you've enjoyed doing. I disagreed that they should solve the issue with weight savings. |
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