2017 Subaru BRZ Facelift

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by Zaku

Theres a lot I want to say in the defense of the designers and engineers, but at the same time I respect my fellow peer journalist and blogger etc. Everyone is entired to their respective views. I can't talk about the process to why they came out to where they are... Sorry but let's take a good sample out of the competition the Miata, at first when none of the journalist had driven the car I recalled they praised the interior and loved how much more nicer it is than its rivals. But when they found out it was only 155hp they cringed had bad things to say etc. Then they drove it and it got praised for balanced. In the end it was this isn't a car that will get you whatever in a straight lines, but you'll always have a smile on your face, etc. Is a good car, and now our twins are trying to get up to that equipment level and it already had the driver feel. So what if it's 205hp those general enthusiast most of them will never drive a car at 205hp to its limit, they'll never become SCCA solo champions or the next DK, but I gurantee you, you'll have fun driving the car we've had this discussion many times, and most people never get it. Again I might know alittle but more, but I can't talk about it, I don't think they could have done anymore with out having more problems.

Not to mention it's only a refresh not a second generation. Im more than happy with the upgrades.

[Jesse36m3]

Originally Posted by Jordan Silveira

P.S. for those interested in the head unit I hate to disappoint you but it's the same as in the 2016 and it is an absolutely garbage head unit. I am currently looking into going backwards and getting the 13-15 FR-S or BRZ head units. I can fill anyone in on the numerous amounts of problems with this head unit. Feel free to ask.

hahah I will GLADLY trade you my shitbox '13 nav unit.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by Mim

Actually I was referring to the final drive ratio change. Up till now the manual and A/T both shared the same 4.1 FD ratio, but with this update the manual has been upgraded to a 4.3 and the A/T was left with a 4.1.

Yes, that's what I meant. Having a torque converter negates any bogging issues as it's a torque multiplier. It was also very odd that they came with the same final drive to begin with as this isn't the norm.

Originally Posted by Mim

The Manual already has shorter gearing than the A/T so this will widen the performance gap between the two possibly out to a full second 0-60mph.

I doubt that as you'll be shifting more on a manual and the torque multiplier effect of the converter. It's likely to make no real difference.

Originally Posted by Mim

Both manual and auto are getting the power boost though. Makes no sense to increase one and not the other ie why have two different ECU tunes and different engine components between the transmission types?

Still getting conflicting info right now, but it sounds like the A/T might not get the power increase.

Originally Posted by KalbiCool88

The 5hp in the auto is unrealized due to power transfer loss

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Moot point as the power rating of these cars is at the crank, not the wheels.

[Freude am Fahren]

From what I understand, the A/T is getting the same power boost, but the wording is kinda weird. They talk about the power boost in the same sentence that they talk about the manuals new gearing for increased responsiveness.

If the A/T doesn't get it, then I think that would mean they have a different exhaust manifold, and that's where the increase really comes from. But I think they both get it.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by Zaku

Theres a lot I want to say in the defense of the designers and engineers, but at the same time I respect my fellow peer journalist and blogger etc. Everyone is entired to their respective views. I can't talk about the process to why they came out to where they are... Sorry but let's take a good sample out of the competition the Miata, at first when none of the journalist had driven the car I recalled they praised the interior and loved how much more nicer it is than its rivals. But when they found out it was only 155hp they cringed had bad things to say etc. Then they drove it and it got praised for balanced. In the end it was this isn't a car that will get you whatever in a straight lines, but you'll always have a smile on your face, etc. Is a good car, and now our twins are trying to get up to that equipment level and it already had the driver feel. So what if it's 205hp those general enthusiast most of them will never drive a car at 205hp to its limit, they'll never become SCCA solo champions or the next DK, but I gurantee you, you'll have fun driving the car we've had this discussion many times, and most people never get it. Again I might know alittle but more, but I can't talk about it, I don't think they could have done anymore with out having more problems.

Funny how I've read a lot of oversea reviews and most actually prefer the new Miata's 1.5L higher revving engine instead of the 2.0L higher output engine. It reminds me how people that actually drove both NA and Supercharged AW11 MR2 usually prefer the lower power NA version due to inherit balance and lower weight.

When bloggers haven't driven the car yet all they can do is bark at the specs and pix. North American mindset tends to be more is more, cheaper the better.

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by Jordan Silveira

Hey RastaPete,

So my biggest complaint is the latency in all aspects of this head unit. When I start the car it takes about a 1.5-2.0 minutes for my bluetooth on my iPhone 6 to link with the Starlink head unit. Additionally, every button pressed (physical/digital) staggers with latency to register and when it is finally recognized takes about 1.5 seconds to register. The apps don't work consistently despite being connected to USB mode with my iPhone. The starlink media player app is aesthetically unpleasing. When you use the regular USB mode with no Starlink app the head unit has no play/pause button. The Head unit doesn't show volume or volume adjustment when on the phone. Aha is a horrible app. Overall I would prefer the 2013 premium FR-S head unit or the 2013-2015 Subaru BRZ head unit for the navigation it came with, the customization of the boot screen, etc.

I kept hearing all this negativity about the Starlink system and thought, "How bad could it be?" But now that I've looked into it, it really does look bad! The button layout seems logical but I realized it doesn't even have nav anymore! So if it doesn't add Android Auto, it's going to be very disappointing and will likely be something I'll have to replace/upgrade down the road.

It's amazing to me that we've had integrated systems in cars for over 10 years now and they've hardly improved. And in some cases like this, they seem to have gotten worse!

I mean, how expensive is a decent mobile processor and a small LED/LCD touchscreen these days? And how hard is it to just program or utilize platforms like Android in cars? This is an area where innovation is moving incredibly slow but now that Google and Apple are involved, I hope to see much quicker progress! Let's just hope that Subaru adapts quickly and makes things easily updatable/upgradeable.

[ChrisFL]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

The S2000 never had a power increase
The Miata never had a power increase in generation
The RX8 never had a power increase
The MR2 never had a power increase in generation
The Integra Type R never had a power increase in generation
The Prelude never had a power increase in generation




Yet most of you guys thought another N/A Japanese sports coupe would change? And if some of them did have a change it was never more than 10-30hp which would be most times barely noticeable.

The MR2 DID have a power increase in generation:

MK1 MR2 had a supercharged option that came out in 1988 as someone else mentioned

MK2 had a 5 hp increase on the non-turbo 1993 model from the 1991-92

Japan MK2's went from 225 hp to 245 hp by 1994 IIRC

[Oxyg3n]

From your guys experience, will cars like the 2017 refresh come with a huge markup when you try to preorder one before they're even out?

Went to a dealership today and I felt like my salesman was full of crap, but I asked him if I can place an order for the 2017 and he said sure. However, he wanted me to know that I should expect a 7 to 8 grand markup since it's sortof a new generation and went on to explain that is what happened when the 2013's came out. But again he was probably just trying to scare me since he was trying to sell me the 2016 on the lot. Funny cause he didn't even know anything about the refresh and had to ask me what the changes were going to be.

What are your opinions on this? I don't want to pay over 30 grand for a limited 2017 brz lol..And this is based in northern California.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by Oxyg3n

From your guys experience, will cars like the 2017 refresh come with a huge markup when you try to preorder one before they're even out?

Went to a dealership today and I felt like my salesman was full of crap, but I asked him if I can place an order for the 2017 and he said sure. However, he wanted me to know that I should expect a 7 to 8 grand markup since it's sortof a new generation and went on to explain that is what happened when the 2013's came out. But again he was probably just trying to scare me since he was trying to sell me the 2016 on the lot. Funny cause he didn't even know anything about the refresh and had to ask me what the changes were going to be.

What are your opinions on this? I don't want to pay over 30 grand for a limited 2017 brz lol..And this is based in northern California.

75% of car salespeople either don't know shit or are just out to snake you for as much cash as soon as possible. Their opinions are usually about as valid as something from the onion or national enquirer.

[raven1231]

Call around and find a dealer that won't **** you over. Another option is to actually wait until the thing comes out, test drive it and make sure you like it, and then buy it.

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by Oxyg3n

From your guys experience, will cars like the 2017 refresh come with a huge markup when you try to preorder one before they're even out?

Went to a dealership today and I felt like my salesman was full of crap, but I asked him if I can place an order for the 2017 and he said sure. However, he wanted me to know that I should expect a 7 to 8 grand markup since it's sortof a new generation and went on to explain that is what happened when the 2013's came out. But again he was probably just trying to scare me since he was trying to sell me the 2016 on the lot. Funny cause he didn't even know anything about the refresh and had to ask me what the changes were going to be.

What are your opinions on this? I don't want to pay over 30 grand for a limited 2017 brz lol..And this is based in northern California.

When it comes out use Truecar.com and make the dealers come to you.

[Elleteeh]

Is it just me or does the video show the white BRZ with a two tone spoiler? Black in the middle and white on the side?


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[Zaku]

Originally Posted by Elleteeh

Is it just me or does the video show the white BRZ with a two tone spoiler? Black in the middle and white on the side?


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Yes it's two tone

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by ChrisFL

The MR2 DID have a power increase in generation:

MK1 MR2 had a supercharged option that came out in 1988 as someone else mentioned

MK2 had a 5 hp increase on the non-turbo 1993 model from the 1991-92

Japan MK2's went from 225 hp to 245 hp by 1994 IIRC

Yeah 5-20hp makes a MASSIVE difference we can all FEEL. Some people have missed my point completely. They never offered earth shattering levels of increase in power like some guys on here are hoping for(20+%). The first generation 86 will not come with 260 or more horsepower. Even at a 25hp increase people would still complain if that had happen.