Wrecked FR-S Crash Already - Not Mine

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by Roadstercycle

I believe the Prius tires that they put on us could be a little at fault but I don't know for sure.

The tires are not at fault.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Deslock

The tires are not at fault.

The fact is they don't give much grip, but that is what makes the car so fun.

Anybody can crash a car....


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[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by AeroWRX

Question: How did people drive RWD cars back in the day when there was no such thing as a traction control??? I don't understand why turning off stability control automatically warrants a crash...

personally, its because people expect x, and dont always get x but get y

x being, traction control off, drift like the reviews because the car is so great

one of the first things i did when it rained was went to a very large empty parking lot, turned everything off and practiced, because the first time i tried to drift the car it spun around on me, y( the thing that happens to most people)

i took the time to figure out how hard it was to get the back end to rotate at 20, 30, 40, and 50 mph

i actually had the hardest time learning control at 20 and 30 mph, in first gear your in the hp and tq range and you dont have momentum to help you stay straight, 20 - 30 mph drifts were better controlled and initiated in 2nd gear

40 and 50 mph is where the magic is and about where you would be on a medium sized corner at a track, 2nd gear about a 3k rpm range to play with, the torsen does a great job there ,and because the torsen works so well, lower speed slides are more unpredictable, both tires break loose and your limits are much easily crossed

the same day i was with a friend he had a rwd car but no limited slip, slower speed drifts were much easier for him because only 1 tire would break loose and the other would drag around at a slower speed(kind how stability control works in dragging the inside tire to correct you) but at higher speeds he just couldnt hold a drift, tires wouldnt stay broken loose or he would spin out( and this inst because of tq, hes got 240 tq to the ground vs my 130 to the ground)

in conclusion what im trying to say, is the rear will snap at you where you want it NOT to happen, at low speeds, through things like traffic lights, round abouts, street corners, and any kind of low speed turn on black top or grooved pavement really, most of these areas put you close to other cars, people, houses, and light poles

Juanito08 already had this happen to him, unless you've had about 50 hours of track time or have owned it longer than 2 years driving spiritedly everyday but aware of the limits, you are NOT going to know what will happen in every situation... just because you drifted one corner around your neighborhood doesnt mean you will at a different but similar corner

PS sorry juan if i put you on blast! ahahah

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by SWAMechFRS

Note to self:

Do not post pics and/or tell the story if you wad up the car.

What a bunch of jackasses. He's just a kid. You got to live and learn. Cut him some slack.

Damn when was 24 years old a KID?

[blu_]

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

in conclusion what im trying to say, is the rear will snap at you where you want it NOT to happen, at low speeds, through things like traffic lights, round abouts, street corners, and any kind of low speed turn on black top or grooved pavement really, most of these areas put you close to other cars, people, houses, and light poles

This is very accurate. I've almost spun once on wet, disjointed, low grip pavement. There was nobody around, gave it some gas in 2nd at low speed in a 90 degree turn and the car just snapped... happened very very fast. I probably would have spun if I had everything turned off. I was in VSC sport at the time.

Keep in mind this is probably the worst place I know of in town for grip in the rain.

[blu_]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

Damn when was 24 years old a KID?

When you hit thirty

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by blu_

This is very accurate. I've almost spun once on wet, disjointed, low grip pavement. There was nobody around, gave it some gas in 2nd at low speed in a 90 degree turn and the car just snapped... happened very very fast. I probably would have spun if I had everything turned off. I was in VSC sport at the time.

Keep in mind this is probably the worst place I know of in town for grip in the rain.

ahah just wait til your tires start to bald, youll leave intersections on low grip pavement at an angle but still moving straight forward, rwd cars with LSD is very weird in certain situations, or youll get weird sounds

try backing up straight then turn the wheel and move forward, youll hear/feel the lsd changing direction/locking as you turn

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by AeroWRX

Question: How did people drive RWD cars back in the day when there was no such thing as a traction control??? I don't understand why turning off stability control automatically warrants a crash...

Not really the point. There's no reason to turn it off if equipped but the lack of them doesn't mean death and destruction. There's just no real value in turning them off on the street.

[blu_]

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

ahah just wait til your tires start to bald, youll leave intersections on low grip pavement at an angle but still moving straight forward, rwd cars with LSD is very weird in certain situations, or youll get weird sounds

try backing up straight then turn the wheel and move forward, youll hear/feel the lsd changing direction/locking as you turn

Yeah the noises I'm used to from my STI. The first part sounds interesting though.

Also like you said, its just not possible to react fast enough to a car which you have no experience with that exact situation in. The first time I drifted the car intentionally, just on instinct coming from AWD, I gave the car too much gas after the back end starting coming out.

If my steering input hadn't have been good and my "OH F@$@" reaction was to clutch or slam on the breaks, I definitely could have been the first wrecked brz.

That's enough confessions for the the day though. I don't recommend this throw yourself in the fire type of learning, but we all do stupid things.

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by blu_

Yeah the noises I'm used to from my STI. The first part sounds interesting though.

Also like you said, its just not possible to react fast enough to a car which you have no experience with that exact situation in. The first time I drifted the car intentionally, just on instinct coming from AWD, I gave the car too much gas after the back end starting coming out.

If my steering input hadn't have been good and my "OH F@$@" reaction was to clutch or slam on the breaks, I definitely could have been the first wrecked brz.

That's enough confessions for the the day though. I don't recommend this throw yourself in the fire type of learning, but we all do stupid things.

i threw myself into the fire, but it was in an empty parking lot and nothing to hit... im still not comfortable with turning everything off, still leaving it in vsc sport for a while there is a corner though on the way to my gf's house that well, its banked concrete 2 lanes wide, isnt a blind corner and nobody takes the street, drift it evey time!

entrance speed 32-35 mph, 2nd gear, 40% throttle, turn in, then counter 2-5 ft from the apex, 80% throttle, tires break loose on the yellow lines, power through when the car starts to correct, begin a stupid grin for the next 2-3 miles

ive got tire marks going both directions lol...

nothing but flat grass around the corner, so nothing to hit have yet to slide off or turn myself around

[CSOCSO]

yepp.... as soon as they announced an rwd scion back then I knew this is going to happen to young owners like every other week.
I'm glad you ok!

[Z.Tune]

well, I almost never have my traction control on, unless its a very bad raining day.

BUT, I NEVER HAD AN ACCIDENT.

So, IMO, its not about the car, its about the driver.

[nix]

Originally Posted by R8

And even if someone IS experienced... why turn it off on the street? It only intervenes when the wheels break loose, right? So it's not something anyone should be TRYING to do in public anyway.

And besides, there are unexpected events where it might save someone, regardless of skill, such as an emergency lane change. No one, no matter how skilled, can brake one side of the car to straighten it out (as stability control will).

Depends on the car. The built in TC is so poor on my Supra it's dangerous to leave it on. I have to yank the fuse, because even disabled it will override and go into snow mode sometimes. Not exactly safe when you've gone for a gap in traffic, and suddenly the car drops from full revs and boost to more like low gear in a tractor.

IMO Relying on electronics to do your job for you, in anything in life, is not a good plan. At the least you should practice without it to get an idea of what will happen if your nannies fail.

[Minovsky]

Originally Posted by #87

O lawd, looks fixable tho

Talk about break in period

i herd the air bags popped tho O.o