Preferred downshifting method?

[Bamsterman]

I'm granny shifting. Not double clutching, like I should.



















Didn't read thru 5 pages, if the joke has already been made

[mazeroni]

Push in the clutch and pray I don't pull a 5-2 or 6-1 money-shift and blow up the motor.

[fumanchu1]

POWERSHIFT IT!!! no clutch needed... probably new trans needed though

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by ajaxthebetter

I guess this is where I'm a bit ignorant mechanically, but if I'm driving to "keep the tach straight up" I will brake, clutch in, blip as I'm moving it through nuetral, grab gear, release. Everything I've read says blip and grab gear, not grab gear and blip. Wouldn't it be difficult to get into second if you didn't blip prior when at an aggressive rpm?

I know what you mean and this is a critical point to understand what's happening "in there."

As soon as you push in the clutch, the engine is disconnected from the transmission. (I know - duh)

You do observe how it takes effort to downshift. That's because the friction disk and all the mass connected to the input and mid shafts have to spin up before the gear can be engaged. That's the job of the synchro.

Here's where the terms and concepts get all mixed up. There's a fundamental difference between rev-matching and double-clutching.

Rev-matches are to prevent the jerk that is felt when the fast-spinning friction disk is coupled to the relatively slow-spinning flywheel. That happens only after the lower gear is engaged.

Double-clutching is the technique that can still be legitimately used to save excessive synchro wear usually from skipping gates when downshifting. It's also a great technique if you miss that first-to-second shift on those really cold mornings.

Double-clutching is literally rev-matching the input section of the transmission to the output section. Third to second is not really dramatic but is relatively safe. Done properly, you will immediately notice the lack of effort required to downshift.

1. Shift into neutral
2. Clutch engaged (doesn't take much. Just lift your foot a little)
3. Rev the engine to above the speed it would reach in the downshift.
4. While still at high revs disengage the clutch.
5. Quickly apply very light pressure to engage the target gear.

I guarantee you will be amazed at how easily it sinks into gear and you will understand how the blip with the clutch disengaged does nothing to help downshift.

I started typing this but had to go to a 2-hour meeting so, regardless of how late I am to the game, I'm posting.

[raven1231]

I just jam the shifter into gear sometimes not even using the clutch.

[Ultramaroon]

....and I see I didn't miss much.

[Whodunit]

Originally Posted by Tectoniic

I prefer the paddle on the steering wheel for downshifting

So does my grandma

[Teseo]

Downshift like Initial D driver does

[soulreapersteve]

Originally Posted by Teseo

Downshift like Initial D driver does

[ZionsWrath]

Originally Posted by Wired86

Wouldn't heel toe just be:

1) Clutch in
2) brake + blip throttle (heel toe)
3) shift to lower gear
4) release clutch


So exactly what was said above, plus braking?

Heel toe always involves braking. Rev match doesn't always involve braking.

If you "heel toe" you are braking + rev matching.

If you rev match but not braking you are not heel toe, just simply rev matching.

For me, while I agree with all these posts saying it isn't necessary on the street. I also disagree because if you just simply ride your clutch into every gear why not just buy an auto? It would do that much better and smoother and faster.

I like my stick on the street because when I'm cruising up to the on/off ramps I can double clutch rev match the lowest gear for my cruising speed then heel toe down a gear and enjoy the corner and be in the power band to accelerate out. I guess that is frowned upon and considering aggressive on the street but that's why I bought a manual sports car

[MrFisty]

When downshifting, I prefer to run out the current gear and then smash it into the lower gear. Racing Style and shit.

[ZionsWrath]

Why

[FRSek]

Originally Posted by Wired86

Update: Did this this morning while coming up to stops and it worked really well, especially when just before I got to the light and it changed green, I was already in the right gear to go!

Clutch in
Lower gear
Blip throttle
Clutch

Should I tap the brake once while I'm downshifting just to let the simpletons know that I am slowing down?

Glad you figured it out sounds alot better than the 4th to neutral stops on page 1. And yea tap the breaks beforehand so that automatic driver on his cell doesnt roll into you xD.

Sometimes I think one should have to be grandfathered in to get a manual. Like only if your pops or older brother (or sis) taught you. Not that its hard to learn if you take the time.

As for the heal-toe. I find the gas pedal on this car too pushed in and generally not incredibly responsive (drive by wire) to do it well unless braking hard.

[Campo]

Left paddle.
But I've also driven manual for so many years that I still brake with the ball of my foot and hover the pinky toe over the throttle. The manual version of this car is a blast to rev match and really easy, but the auto is still faster.


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