Article from Club4AG speculation of new Toyota 86

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Moto-P

Yes, if you were in charge of operating only in the USA and toward Americans. But this is a global car catering to many regions, cultures, regulations, restrictions, and nuances, and in many places, more is not always good, or legal even... Some regions might have higher taxes over certain power levels, others might require a different license or registration category

So frame your mind around the world when you consider things about this car which is sold in almost 30 nations today.

This^^ X 10!
Gadgets and trim are cheap to stock/assemble different parts for different regions . Engines and chassis components are not.
Hell, if they were to make a different engine that maxed out the requirements for each State in the US then California cars would be different from the rest.

[bilen]

Originally Posted by Moto-P

Power will not stay the same at the crank, where did I say that? I said the catalog spec is very close at 205 vs 200. And we know that's not an actual figure on either, and they can play with a lot of power within that discrepancy... And it is really probable that they have...
The efficiency of the drivetrain is already VERY GOOD, so that's beside the point, as that has nothing to do with net engine power within this context.

First thank you for all the input in to this forum Moto.

My question does not concern the above quote but rather the engine discussion.

Will europe also get the improved engine or will there now be 2 different engines or tunes of the engine?

Toyota u.k. has said that the improvements in power and torque will not apply to european cars due to emissions.

Will the european cars benefit from the actual improvements but stay at the same rated power or will we actually stay at the rated power?

/ a converned swede

[Mim]

I can't speak for Moto, but there are limits to what he can say, even if he knows the true answer. We are all pretty much awaiting an official release.

Releasing information like this, innocuous as it might seem, would impact on sales of the current model.

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by Mim

I can't speak for Moto, but there are limits to what he can say, even if he knows the true answer. We are all pretty much awaiting an official release.

Releasing information like this, innocuous as it might seem, would impact on sales of the current model.

Yes and I do not know exactly or concretely at this point either. Just using my best judgement and assumptions on what I can gather from various places (but not from internet based rumors.)

But aside from this topic though, I tend to want to just leave it at that, and continue to enjoy my 2013 model, and refine it to my own liking further, and decide upon launch if I would buy another to add or do something else with my money Currently though, I love my own, and I have done enough customization and my own revisions to it continually to be a very different animal with the same soul, fine tuned to my own flavors.

[jaorocks1]

Originally Posted by Moto-P

Yes and I do not know exactly or concretely at this point either. Just using my best judgement and assumptions on what I can gather from various places (but not from internet based rumors.)

But aside from this topic though, I tend to want to just leave it at that, and continue to enjoy my 2013 model, and refine it to my own liking further, and decide upon launch if I would buy another to add or do something else with my money Currently though, I love my own, and I have done enough customization and my own revisions to it continually to be a very different animal with the same soul, fine tuned to my own flavors.

Hey Moto... Can you put in a good word at Toyota for a marketing position or internship? Haha, I would be forever thankful for a good word!

[CatScan]

Originally Posted by Moto-P

Yes and I do not know exactly or concretely at this point either. Just using my best judgement and assumptions on what I can gather from various places (but not from internet based rumors.)
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Still no hard numbers.

[Spec C Wannabe]

Originally Posted by bilen

.......

Toyota u.k. has said that the improvements in power and torque will not apply to european cars due to emissions.

........

/ a converned swede

Could you provide the link where you got such information?

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by CatScan

Still no hard numbers.

You're pretty dense, aren't you? Maybe you should start posting less and lurking more.

[xrs]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

There are actually a lot of cars that have more power with a manual transmission compared to auto. I can't think of any off the top of my head because I only buy manual though.

Could pull a DSM and toss in a smaller turbo on the automatic yet advertise the same power output as the manual. My first car was a 91 Talon TSI auto. I found out soon afterwards. Still bitter about this to this day.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by xrs

Could pull a DSM and toss in a smaller turbo on the automatic yet advertise the same power output as the manual. My first car was a 91 Talon TSI auto. I found out soon afterwards. Still bitter about this to this day.

My 18th car was a 91 Talon TSI AWD MT! No issues there LOL.

[bilen]

Originally Posted by Spec C Wannabe

Could you provide the link where you got such information?

Sure thing.
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/japa...ork-2016/33935

The article has been edited and updated but the quote is on the second page of comments to article.
The article now says:
"Cars for the US will make another 5hp and 5lb ft (to 205hp and 156lb ft), but emissions regs prevent those changes from making it to UK cars."

I dont remember what the original article said but the power/torque numbers were discussed in the commens section and led to the author contacting Toyota U.K.

The authors comment after contacting Toyota is the second comment on page 2 of the comments section.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...t=1581445&i=20

"You've got it! We've just had confirmation from Toyota GB that facelifted cars here won't get the power and gearing tweaks "due to emission restraints". Shame frown"

Hence my question, because there is a possibillity that he answer isnt correct.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by bilen

Sure thing.
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/japa...ork-2016/33935

The article has been edited and updated but the quote is on the second page of comments to article.
The article now says:
"Cars for the US will make another 5hp and 5lb ft (to 205hp and 156lb ft), but emissions regs prevent those changes from making it to UK cars."

I dont remember what the original article said but the power/torque numbers were discussed in the commens section and led to the author contacting Toyota U.K.

The authors comment after contacting Toyota is the second comment on page 2 of the comments section.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...t=1581445&i=20

"You've got it! We've just had confirmation from Toyota GB that facelifted cars here won't get the power and gearing tweaks "due to emission restraints". Shame frown"

Hence my question, because there is a possibillity that he answer isnt correct.

I wouldn't sweat it until I saw something from Toyota. A guy from a clickbait blog claiming to have talked to them and got the inside scoop is not a confirmation of fact.
I would be surprised to find that this small of an increase would not pass European standards but is OK with California (which has some of the toughest emission standards in the world).
Only time will tell at this point though.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I wouldn't sweat it until I saw something from Toyota. A guy from a clickbait blog claiming to have talked to them and got the inside scoop is not a confirmation of fact.
I would be surprised to find that this small of an increase would not pass European standards but is OK with California (which has some of the toughest emission standards in the world).
Only time will tell at this point though.

And even at that, a dyno graph means more than any number they can throw out there. If they've filled up the tq dip (which, as @Ultramaroon stated, you aren't doing it right unless you've got the tach needle pointing straight up, anyways) then we're talking, but if we're just shifting the entire graph up by 5 torques, then what does it matter?

[Packofcrows]

Need to bring a DOHC into that sumafobitch. I'm kind of starting to get tired of the FA20 noise and overall engine. I'd rather have a 1.8 but DOHC. Even SOHC.... (Lol)

5hp/5tq will be insignificant tbh.