Scion FT-S

[A-Spike]

Originally Posted by NikostC

I don't know what you guys have against Scion's. Scion's are 100% built in Japan, while Toyota's are built in the USA. So would you rather have a FT-86 or whatever its going to be called built here? or from where it was designed?

Bro', Scion is not even sold in Japan, you may want to check your sources again.

[NikostC]

Originally Posted by A-Spike

Bro', Scion is not even sold in Japan, you may want to check your sources again.

Dosen't matter. I know its an american only company but if u check the vin number it starts with a J which indicates it is made in Japan.

[Kids Heart]

Originally Posted by WhatIs86For

Guys can I ask a question?

Why do you care if its Scion badge or not, after all its just a badge you know??

why your worried if the FT-86 is made from japan, made from toyota, driven by toyota, tested by toyota, and everything is from toyota except the badge..

the badge will not make any different on the car you know?? after all its just a "Badge"

One word 'legacy'. This car will die with Scion in the next 2/3 years.

[cyde01]

Originally Posted by A-Spike

Bro', Scion is not even sold in Japan, you may want to check your sources again.

actually, the xA, xD, xB, tC were all made in toyota facilities in aichi, japan. the 2nd gen xB is made in iwate, japan. xA and xD are sold in Japan as the toyota ist, while the 1st gen xB was the toyota bB, 2nd gen xB is sold as the corolla rumion. only the tC is exclusive to north america. and there are several toyota models made in the us, like the camry, avalon, solara, US spec corolla, tundra, sienna, sequoia, tacoma, etc.

but i still don't want it badged as a scion.

[A-Spike]

Originally Posted by cyde01

actually, the xA, xD, xB, tC were all made in toyota facilities in aichi, japan. the 2nd gen xB is made in iwate, japan. xA and xD are sold in Japan as the toyota ist, while the 1st gen xB was the toyota bB, 2nd gen xB is sold as the corolla rumion. only the tC is exclusive to north america. and there are several toyota models made in the us, like the camry, avalon, solara, US spec corolla, tundra, sienna, sequoia, tacoma, etc.

but i still don't want it badged as a scion.

Haha, that's pretty ironic, huh? I would never have guessed that they are made in Japan, even if the xD is sold in Europe to, it's called Urban Cruiser around here.

[RJF]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Do you have the link from where this article came from?

Article was original published on *************

http://*************/forums/f9/major-...del-socal-466/

Hey Terrari, Nice job cutting and pasting.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by NikostC

I don't know what you guys have against Scion's. Scion's are 100% built in Japan, while Toyota's are built in the USA. So would you rather have a FT-86 or whatever its going to be called built here? or from where it was designed?

That's not the issue.

Originally Posted by NESW20

no question in my mind. all these idiots coming on here with "articles" like this are really getting on my nerves. i wish i had a ban stick.

+1

[IS3_FTW]

Originally Posted by WhatIs86For

Guys can I ask a question?

Why do you care if its Scion badge or not, after all its just a badge you know??

why your worried if the FT-86 is made from japan, made from toyota, driven by toyota, tested by toyota, and everything is from toyota except the badge..

the badge will not make any different on the car you know?? after all its just a "Badge"

Everything will be cheap and have plastic, where there should be cloth or leather. Hence why most peeps probably would rather see it as a Toyota, instead of a Scion.

Originally Posted by Siriusly.Andrew

Scion is the brand that took the cars and made them look "cool" so younger driver would buy them. I don't care if Toyota makes the cars for Scion, in my eyes Scion took them and re-molded them to be in their image and attached fancy marketing and racing teams to their FF Camry powered cars. I'm sure the guys who "run" scion orgasmed when the TOYOTA FT-86 concept started cruising around and said "we have to have this car so we can attach it to an over hyped racing team!"

Scion is just a wanna be car company, I mean really. They don't have anything that is their "own". It's all remodeled Toyota's. Poorly done at that.

Flame suit equipped, I know Dragonatti is out there somewhere ready to stuff it down my throat.

+1

Originally Posted by Dixie Normous

I have a mission for you SoCal boys.
Go take a tour at trd or five axis and scope the place out for these "production" ft's

Dont forget your cameras =)

Originally Posted by kurtis

Hhaa if you guys hate Scion so much, just debadge it and put a Toyota badge just like all the honda/acura boys!

GS and SC owners already rebadge there Lexus with a Toyota badge. Everyone still knows them as Lexus. So it doesnt really matter what you do to the car, it will still be a Scion


just my .02 cents

[dalli]

Originally Posted by RJF

Article was original published on *************

http://*************/forums/f9/major-...del-socal-466/

Hey Terrari, Nice job cutting and pasting.

I just ignored this thread because of so many grammatical mistakes in the article.

The OP did not even link a source.

[matadormi5]

Originally Posted by stevens8

True. All the Honda variants are different in a lot of ways compared to there Acura counterparts. Nothing bugs me more than seeing an Acura badged as a Honda etc... RSX, Integra

Worst I've seen was a Toyota Celica with a Lexus badge.

[Dark]

I believe that Scion cars are made in Japan, but it's not the case that we don't like Scion. Like some say "legacy", and other say "brand image". If it's a Scion, I hope Toyota will discontinue as soon as possible and let Subaru take over the sale. Lesson learned the hard way tho.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by cyde01

actually, the xA, xD, xB, tC were all made in toyota facilities in aichi, japan. the 2nd gen xB is made in iwate, japan. xA and xD are sold in Japan as the toyota ist, while the 1st gen xB was the toyota bB, 2nd gen xB is sold as the corolla rumion. only the tC is exclusive to north america. and there are several toyota models made in the us, like the camry, avalon, solara, US spec corolla, tundra, sienna, sequoia, tacoma, etc.

but i still don't want it badged as a scion.

Now Scion tC is rebadged as Toyota in middle east. It's called Zelas.

Sorry, I double post again. FML

[matadormi5]

Just thought of something....
I'm not a fan of Scion, and I'm not 100% in support of the 86 being sold as a Scion but...

4 years ago I wasn't a fan of Hyundai, but they've added so much spice and excitement into the line-up that they've become a very cool brand imo. The 86 (and I guess the IQ) could be the very first of a long line-up coming to salvage Scion's image.

There are a few comments I've read saying that they hope the scion fails so Toyota will just sell the 86 under their label. I don't think that'll work. Toyota execs honestly believe that young/enthusiast people will/do buy Scions.

So if the 86 doesn't sell as a Scion, Toyota execs would prob. jump to the conclusion that "young/enthusiast must not want cars like the 86".

It'll take more than 1 or 2 cars and a lot of good marketing/planning to shake Scion's crap youth-moron image and help sales. But if it works, then they'll know that the 86 is the type of car that WE (their target market) want. If it fails, Toyota will likely not try to make affordable sporty cars again for a long time--not a good thing for us.

so yeah...just a thought.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by matadormi5

I'm not a fan of Scion, and I'm not a supporter of the 86 being sold as a Scion but...

4 years ago I wasn't a fan of Hyundai, but they've added so much spice and excitement into the line-up that they've become a very cool brand imo. The 86 (and I guess the IQ) could be the very first to salvage Scion's image.

There are a few comments I've read saying that they hope the scion fails so Toyota will just sell the 86 under their label. I don't think that'll work. Toyota execs honestly believe that young/enthusiast people will/do buy scions. So if the 86 doesn't sell as a Scion, Toyota execs would prob jump to the conclusion that "young/enthusiast must not want cars like the 86" and probably never try and make a sporty car like it for a looooong time. Much less try and sell it again as a Toyota.

It'll take a more than 1 or 2 cars and a lot of good marketing/planning to shake Scion's crap youth-moron image and help sales. But if it works, then they'll know that the 86 is the type of car that WE (their target market) want. If it fails, Toyota will likely not try to make sporty cars again for a long time--not a good thing for us.

So...if it does end up as a Scion, I do hope it does well.

A successful iQ would do far more for Scion than the FT86. The FT86 would just result in sales cannibalization of the tC. It is Toyota that needs the image boost.

Ichi, avert your eyes for a moment. Or just understand I'm not ripping on your car, just the reaction of the general public to it and comparing it to the WRX reception.

Look what one car (the WRX) did for Subaru in North America. Prior to it they were reliable, functional cars driven by grown-up successful hippies that liked to ski. They initially tried to do sporty with the 2.5RS, but for the most part it felt like a factory rice-job (available ridiculous graphics package, with nothing more than the larger H4 from the Legacy). This is similar to tC, sportier looking car that shares most of its components with the Camry. Few people cared about sporty Subarus until they did it seriously with the WRX, and then STi.

But look what the WRX did for Subaru's image! Massive change.

This is why I rail against Toyota NA for making Scion. It was a ridiculous waste of money re-branding boring transport appliances into 'exciting' cars. Instead of creating one or two genuinely exciting cars for the Toyota line-up.

Scion is a tragic waste of millions of dollars that could have been used to develop the FT86 earlier, maybe a new GT4 Celica, and kept the LFA under its original design spec of an aluminum space-framed V8-powered new Supra to compete with the overweight GT-R at a price point between the Z and the GT-R. Speaking of Nissan, the Z did some work there.

However it is too late for Scion. Its reputation is solidly planted as a majority (majority Dragonitti, not everybody, don't get your panties in a bunch...) of wannabe, douchey, posers that already think they are a performance brand. But Toyota NA has to give away Scions and PAY 'tuners' to mod the cars that the wannabes drool over. And that lack of authenticity and sincerity will prevent a lot people from going to a Scion dealer to buy the FT86. Toyota needs to rein in the idiots running the North American show.

No one gave me my Supra or paid me to tune it. I do it because the car is fucking awesome.