Article from Club4AG speculation of new Toyota 86

[CatScan]

I want to know if the FT-1 inline-six will fit in the FR-S.

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by CatScan

I want to know if the FT-1 inline-six will fit in the FR-S.

It will it's a direct drop in bud! My buddy already did the swap.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by raven1231

It will it's a direct drop in bud! My buddy already did the swap.

Isn't that the guy that put it in backwards and had to drive everyplace in reverse though? Pain in the butt to have one speed forward and 6 backing up.

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Isn't that the guy that put it in backwards and had to drive everyplace in reverse though? Pain in the butt to have one speed forward and 6 backing up.

It just takes getting use to man. He drives a manual so it's nothing he can't handle.

[Mim]

I finally understand the true appeal of a manual. Whoever thought driving in reverse could be such an immersive experience.

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by R_E_L

While it's certainly speculation on Moto's part, I hope his closeness to the developers of the car give him a better idea of what is happening to the car. To me it sounds like he's saying that while power will remain the same at the crank, a more efficient drive train will be providing more to the wheels and maybe even changing the way torque is delivered.

Power will not stay the same at the crank, where did I say that? I said the catalog spec is very close at 205 vs 200. And we know that's not an actual figure on either, and they can play with a lot of power within that discrepancy... And it is really probable that they have...
The efficiency of the drivetrain is already VERY GOOD, so that's beside the point, as that has nothing to do with net engine power within this context.

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by CatScan

I want to know if the FT-1 inline-six will fit in the FR-S.

Sure it will, we've installed a Ford Coyote and 2JZ here and that new BMW straight six is much smaller. But see, that's another speculation that it's a straight six.

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

I am with you. I would prefer to advertise it and promote a 215-220hp @ crank instead of hide it and saying that the first engine was not really there. Anyway, let's wait to see what will happen ...

Yes, if you were in charge of operating only in the USA and toward Americans. But this is a global car catering to many regions, cultures, regulations, restrictions, and nuances, and in many places, more is not always good, or legal even... Some regions might have higher taxes over certain power levels, others might require a different license or registration category

So frame your mind around the world when you consider things about this car which is sold in almost 30 nations today.

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

1 speedometer is great, 2 is a little excessive.

I agree. I don't make decisions so who knows what reasons may be. I listed a few in another reply somewhere.

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by CatScan

We have the car in the metal. Why are people continuing to speculate? Somebody must have actual, factual information.

Don't be so quick to assume what was hashed at NYC is an actual production unit. That's all I can say.

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by CatScan

"What these changes will actually consist of is still unpublished, but we are expecting a more closer number to the catalog output of 205 ps than previous models had respectively to its catalog spec of 200. So the "actual" increase might not be just 5 hp difference of catalog's 200 to 205 at all, but much more. This also applies to the torque figures.
Also I would assume, that the changes in power output is basically a side-effect of honing the engine to even higher levels of control and communication character to the driver, so while the output may still be modest, the thrill and engagement for an experienced driver has been greatly enhanced."

All due respect to Moto. Until we see the actual specifications, it's all speculation.

right. Maybe

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by Celica00

No one said invincible. Just simply more durable when driven harshly.




I shouldn't say learn, bad choice of word. Rather it's someone who is more credible than the average forum member.


Obviously it is speculation but there is some matter of credibility when it comes from some certain people. Also it's fun romancing the ideas given.

A 2JZ can easily be destroyed by a chip and tune by some guy in a garage who thinks he's onto something without formal education on engine science, without touching hardware, so I'm not accounting for that sort of thing
No. I'm merely basing my statements on the durability based on professional calibration of hardware under racing conditions such as performed by entities qualified and tested in laboratories, and scenarios like Nurburgring ADAC 24, and Super Taikyu All-Japan Racing Series, JRC and Asia Pacific Rally.

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

^This. Moto-san is very close friend with Tada-san (they're drinking buddy for god sake). I think, he knows what he's talking about.

Well, I wouldn't count that as any realavent to statements made on the cars, that's that and this is this... Haha

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by CatScan

I thought the lack of cup-holders was the deal killer.

I think the Kia Sedona wins there. It costs more than the 86 though, and does have more torque. LOL and only one speedometer.