Twins vs M2

[Train]

Not sure if this is valid point but a friend of mine who owned z4 and is a current owner of m235i said that frs is closer to z4 than the 2 in a sense that the 2 has bigger body roll and doesn't feel as light/nimble as z4 and frs. But again this was compared to m235i and not to m2

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[rascasse]

Originally Posted by Train

Not sure if this is valid point but a friend of mine who owned z4 and is a current owner of m235i said that frs is closer to z4 than the 2 in a sense that the 2 has bigger body roll and doesn't feel as light/nimble as z4 and frs. But again this was compared to m235i and not to m2

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I would probably say your friend was right and i'd even say the Frs would feel more agile. light than an M2. BUT for being an all round package blending handling/performance/practicality the M2 imo is a much better prospect than an Frs. If you were to give me the choice between the two than it would be M2 all day long but then i'd wager a bet most on here would be the same..

In my earlier thread i mentioned how i really enjoy the handling on my car now and wanted to tune it further and maybe performance down the road but now am starting to think i'd rather just save for an M2

[JW89225]

Originally Posted by rascasse

Would love an E90M3!! Nice that you have an E92! what's handling like compared to FRS?


The FRS is a lot of fun, there are times when I wish it had a little more grunt but on the whole I've been happy. Wouldn't say I'm IN LOVE with it though lol perhaps after more mods...


I think I'm going to get an M2 if its possible in late 17..

I'll try to break it down as simple as I can, but also keeping this in mind. Weight definitely matters, but not in a way most people expect, I don't mind the weight in the E92 M3 as much as the numbers suggest because how well it handles its weight. Similarly, I've spent time in the new F80 M3 and the technology has allowed weight to be restrained in a way where I think its actually quite comforting for most drivers.

E92 M3 Pros
-Stability
-Solid anchored down feeling; confidence
-Masterpiece engine
-Predictable and adjustable

FR-S Pros
-Rigidity
-Masterfull chassis
-Agility
-Responds exceptionally well to input

Its VERY interesting to go back and forth between both cars when I go out in my late night snack runs. Its also eye opening what my 3500lbs car can do when I chuck it into the same corner as I do the FRS. Both car are hugely amusing and both are hugely capable, just the driver need to have a change of mindset behind each car's seat.

[rascasse]

Originally Posted by JW89225

I'll try to break it down as simple as I can, but also keeping this in mind. Weight definitely matters, but not in a way most people expect, I don't mind the weight in the E92 M3 as much as the numbers suggest because how well it handles its weight. Similarly, I've spent time in the new F80 M3 and the technology has allowed weight to be restrained in a way where I think its actually quite comforting for most drivers.

E92 M3 Pros
-Stability
-Solid anchored down feeling; confidence
-Masterpiece engine
-Predictable and adjustable

FR-S Pros
-Rigidity
-Masterfull chassis
-Agility
-Responds exceptionally well to input

Its VERY interesting to go back and forth between both cars when I go out in my late night snack runs. Its also eye opening what my 3500lbs car can do when I chuck it into the same corner as I do the FRS. Both car are hugely amusing and both are hugely capable, just the driver need to have a change of mindset behind each car's seat.

Thanks bro for your experience of the two. I know what you mean, ofcourse weight is important for handling but people on forums get too caught up with that aspect when a car is setup well for handling and can mask that weight. Can i ask which car makes the hairs stand up and that lovely feeling when you can't stop laughing to yourself that only a car head knows..i bet its the German

[JW89225]

Originally Posted by rascasse

Thanks bro for your experience of the two. I know what you mean, ofcourse weight is important for handling but people on forums get too caught up with that aspect when a car is setup well for handling and can mask that weight. Can i ask which car makes the hairs stand up and that lovely feeling when you can't stop laughing to yourself that only a car head knows..i bet its the German

They both make me crack up, but under very different circumstances. I just can't hoon around in the M3 like I do in the FRS and not many motors feel the way it does when that V8 winds up to 8600rpm. I have a full titanium exhaust on the M, it feels like two S2000 motor bolted together hitting VTEC

I have this exhaust, but not the 4.4L motor unfortunately
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[rascasse]

Originally Posted by JW89225

I just can't hoon around in the M3 like I do in the FRS

Is that because it's too quick? too much grip?


That sound is epic! I'd have your car just for the sound!

[JW89225]

Originally Posted by rascasse

Is that because it's too quick? too much grip?


That sound is epic! I'd have your car just for the sound!

For sure a combination of those above factors and also because bigger in dimension than the FRS. However, its still very predictable and adjustable when you get down to it.

[midnitz]

In your opinion, of the 4 colors available, which color "pops" on the M2 in person? The blue looks good on Youtube, but looks kinda dull in your pictures. I'm leaning towards the white car...

[synchromesh]

Originally Posted by midnitz

In your opinion, of the 4 colors available, which color "pops" on the M2 in person? The blue looks good on Youtube, but looks kinda dull in your pictures. I'm leaning towards the white car...

I could be wrong and if so would contemplate changing my online identity. White , grey and black seem to be the safest colors.


I can't imagine going to a bikini carwash; picking up the "colorful" young ladies in the Long Beach Blue. Just seems juvenile.



I can't even imagine your date stepping out of the car in bright spring colored attire or a pair of pumps in Long Beach Blue either.

[krayzie]

So this M2 would have a M Sports Package option as well?

[rascasse]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Yes; That's why I mentioned I liked the steering of my STI better. It uses a hydraulic system and a tight rack, so the steering feels fairly heavy and confident. I love it.

The M2 is definitely on the light side, but it isn't terrible. I'd say about the same as the FRS in terms of weight.

Forgot to ask Tyler!

Now that you've had a good go in the M2 and have driven an FRS/BRZ...Out of the box which car would you go for out of the two? or is that a stupid question

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by midnitz

In your opinion, of the 4 colors available, which color "pops" on the M2 in person? The blue looks good on Youtube, but looks kinda dull in your pictures. I'm leaning towards the white car...

I like Long Beach Blue the best. Pictures don't do it justice. White is too plain for me on this car. Wouldn't want to do black, as I've had a few black cars and they're a pain. Mineral Gray also looks killer in person. Blue definitely pops the most though.

Originally Posted by synchromesh

I could be wrong and if so would contemplate changing my online identity. White , grey and black seem to be the safest colors.

I can't imagine going to a bikini carwash; picking up the "colorful" young ladies in the Long Beach Blue. Just seems juvenile.

I can't even imagine your date stepping out of the car in bright spring colored attire or a pair of pumps in Long Beach Blue either.

Yep. They always are.

Originally Posted by krayzie

So this M2 would have a M Sports Package option as well?

No. M Sport package is an optional package that can be added to standard cars. It's like getting a Lexus IS with the F Sport package. You have a base Lexus IS350. Then you have an IS350 F Sport, which has some extra accessories and stuff added on. Then you have the IS-F, which is the full blown performance car. Same goes for BMW. You have a base, then an optional M Sport package, then a full blown M Vehicle. That being said, the M2 is already a full-blown M car, therefore an additional M package would be redundant.

Originally Posted by rascasse

Forgot to ask Tyler!

Now that you've had a good go in the M2 and have driven an FRS/BRZ...Out of the box which car would you go for out of the two? or is that a stupid question

Hmmm. It honestly comes down to the purpose of the car. For an all around car to drive every day of the week and occasionally go to the track; M2. Easily. If it's just a car I drive a couple times a week, or on the weekend, and track frequently, FRS. Easily.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

No. M Sport package is an optional package that can be added to standard cars. It's like getting a Lexus IS with the F Sport package. You have a base Lexus IS350. Then you have an IS350 F Sport, which has some extra accessories and stuff added on. Then you have the IS-F, which is the full blown performance car. Same goes for BMW. You have a base, then an optional M Sport package, then a full blown M Vehicle. That being said, the M2 is already a full-blown M car, therefore an additional M package would be redundant.

Sorry I should have wrote Performance instead of Sport.

Actually I knew someone who bought a E92 M3 new, and was offered by the dealer some sort of M Performance Package option for it. He thought it was quite funny and asked if the M3 wasn't "M" enough and needed to be more "M" lol!

I got a similar reaction from my mechanic when I told him there is actually an STI Performance Package in Japan for the WRX STI to make it more STI than it already is but I digress.

[rascasse]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Hmmm. It honestly comes down to the purpose of the car. For an all around car to drive every day of the week and occasionally go to the track; M2. Easily. If it's just a car I drive a couple times a week, or on the weekend, and track frequently, FRS. Easily.

Sitting on the fence a bit there aren't you Tyler...i'll take it you really meant M2...Lol