Learning manual on the 86

[jasonojordan]

Its sad how this thread has digressed to a **** measuring contest.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by jasonojordan

Its sad how this thread has digressed to a **** measuring contest.

These things usually do. As soon as somebody says "MT or AT" you can be pretty sure what direction it will go in.

[mixtape]

Originally Posted by emishor86

So after saving up and loads of patience, I picked up a clean 2013 Toyota 86 in manual, however I only have experience on autos... for the past few days I've managed to learn all the basics however I'm still struggling with hill starts.

@emishor86


For what it's worth, I also am learning driving a manual on this car after owning and only driving an automatic for 8 years.


One thing that helped me tremendously was removing the clutch return spring about a month ago. This got rid of the uncomfortable "dead zone" that my clutch began to develop and gave it a smooth transition all the way through depression. I do not know if this will help you specifically, but it is worth looking in to.


Here is a link to a tutorial: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...=clutch+spring


Either way, enjoy your car and best of luck!

[fridayfrs]

Originally Posted by mdm

re: handbrake for uphill starts.


I believe the FR-S manual hasn't been invoked yet:

Interesting. That isn't at all how my father taught me. He wouldn't allow me on the road if I needed the hand brake. Not slighting anyone that uses this technique. His drivers test was much worse than anything a state official could throw at me. I'm glad I learned as I did. I had to hold the car on a steep incline slipping the clutch before getting to go solo. I use the hand brake when I park the car and of course leave it in gear. It's such a habit I do it in the garage too. Oh well to each their own.. Enjoy and Tcoat I have no .... To measure in this discussion. 😉. I was genuinely curious if things have changed in the decades since I learned.


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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fridayfrs

Enjoy and Tcoat I have no .... To measure
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Horrible accident, selective surgery or born that way???

[Ashikabi]

RIP ****...

[billwot]

How to drive a manual tranny vehicle:

1) Step on the ckutch
2) Select the gear
3) Release the clutch

I taught 3 daughters at age 15 to drive stick (914 Porsche, MR2), my wife at age 42 (Nissan Hardbody), and my 12 year old grandaughter ('13 FRS).

No cars or girls were harmed in the process.

[mdm]

Originally Posted by fridayfrs

Interesting. That isn't at all how my father taught me. He wouldn't allow me on the road if I needed the hand brake. Not slighting anyone that uses this technique. His drivers test was much worse than anything a state official could throw at me. I'm glad I learned as I did. I had to hold the car on a steep incline slipping the clutch before getting to go solo. I use the hand brake when I park the car and of course leave it in gear. It's such a habit I do it in the garage too. Oh well to each their own..

Respectfully, I don't agree with you and your father - the handbrake is a standard piece of equipment, a tool that is very well suited to assist uphill starts and I see no reason not to use it for the purpose. Holding a vehicle on an incline using the clutch (same as doing it in AT car using the accelerator) is in my opinion bad technique which strains the clutch (or transmission) and may lead to premature wear or damage. It's discouraged not only by the FRS manual, but probably any car manual I have read.

Back to driver's ed. As some of you may have figured it out already from the kinds of errors I make writing in English, I am originally from Poland. Driver's exams used to be really tough in Poland when I took mine around 1990. US (VA) exam that I had to take a few years ago was a joke in comparison. Since 1990 the exams in Poland have become even tougher. One of multiple specific requirements now is starting on a steep uphill, with mandatory use of handbrake, you fail if the car stalls or rolls back more than 20 centimeters. MT of course.

So, apparently, the issue is treated very differently in different places and by different people.

[fridayfrs]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Horrible accident, selective surgery or born that way???

Born that way. No Y chromosome here but still a gear head. 😉


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[fridayfrs]

Originally Posted by mdm

Respectfully, I don't agree with you and your father - the handbrake is a standard piece of equipment, a tool that is very well suited to assist uphill starts and I see no reason not to use it for the purpose. Holding a vehicle on an incline using the clutch (same as doing it in AT car using the accelerator) is in my opinion bad technique which strains the clutch (or transmission) and may lead to premature wear or damage. It's discouraged not only by the FRS manual, but probably any car manual I have read.



Back to driver's ed. As some of you may have figured it out already from the kinds of errors I make writing in English, I am originally from Poland. Driver's exams used to be really tough in Poland when I took mine around 1990. US (VA) exam that I had to take a few years ago was a joke in comparison. Since 1990 the exams in Poland have become even tougher. One of multiple specific requirements now is starting on a steep uphill, with mandatory use of handbrake, you fail if the car stalls or rolls back more than 20 centimeters. MT of course.



So, apparently, the issue is treated very differently in different places and by different people.

When on an incline I use neutral and the (foot) brake. I only had to prove I could hold the car without braking assistance. I understand and respect your opinion but I just don't share it. I don't roll back at stops if I do it's minimal and certainly nothing close to 20cm. I've never rolled into even the most determined tailgater and I've been at this over 25 years. What works for me or you may not work for the next person. I would be a hazard trying to use the hand brake (aka emergency brake). I would bet most folks who learned manual before hand brakes don't not use it either.



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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fridayfrs

When on an incline I use neutral and the (foot) brake. I only had to prove I could hold the car without braking assistance. I understand and respect your opinion but I just don't share it. I don't roll back at stops if I do it's minimal and certainly nothing close to 20cm. I've never rolled into even the most determined tailgater and I've been at this over 25 years. What works for me or you may not work for the next person. I would be a hazard trying to use the hand brake (aka emergency brake). I would bet most folks who learned manual before hand brakes don't not use it either.



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Almost word for word my statements in about 20 threads on this subject!

[fridayfrs]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Almost word for word my statements in about 20 threads on this subject!

It is probably much more concise to say can't we just agree to disagree? Is that possible here?!


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[mdm]

Agreeing to disagree, I cannot resist asking for a clarfication:

Originally Posted by fridayfrs

I would be a hazard trying to use the hand brake (aka emergency brake).

Why would this be a hazard?


I mean, you hold the car on the incline suing the foot brake while the car is in neutral. Then you press the clutch, enagage the first gear, pull the hand brake, move you right foot to the accelerator (without unnecessary rush, the car won't roll because of the hand brake), then smoothly release the clutch, press the accelerator, and release hand brake all three at the same time.

I can understand that you would consider it excessive, because you don't feel rushed and you are quick enough that the car won't roll back. But I don't see a hazard.

[KevinK121]

Originally Posted by mdm

Agreeing to disagree, I cannot resist asking for a clarfication:



Why would this be a hazard?


I mean, you hold the car on the incline suing the foot brake while the car is in neutral. Then you press the clutch, enagage the first gear, pull the hand brake, move you right foot to the accelerator without unnecessary rush, the car won't roll because of the hand brake), then smoothly release the clutch, press the accelerator, and release hand brake all three at the same time.

I can understand that you would consider it excessive, because you don't feel rushed and you are quick enough that the car won't roll back. But I don't see a hazard.

I use this method and I think a better way of explaing it would be;

Engage parking brake at the stop and when it's time to go, give some throttle and start releasing the clutch and when you feel the car working against the brake to get uphill you can gently release the hand brake.

I dont know if that helps or further stirs the pot but I'd prefer this method to slipping the clutch. My footwork is sloppy enough as is on the track to burn the clutch up even more on hills lol