Official 2016 Camaro Thread With Updates

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Or you could just walk into a dealership and ORDER an M4 to exactly your tastes, at MSRP. You honestly think dealerships are marking up M4s? lol, they're not.

And I didn't even bring up European Delivery, which drops the price another few grand.

I'm Canadian anyways, so want me to show you a 81k m4 lol (they start at 76 here btw got one up to 92k without taxes or levy)

[Rampage]

You have to listen to the audio even if you do not watch the video: http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/video...mph/vi-AAgDmdm

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by fumanchu1

I'm Canadian anyways, so want me to show you a 81k m4 lol (they start at 76 here btw got one up to 92k without taxes or levy)

LOL, check out my previous comment's edited remarks

[Model Citizen]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I live 45 minutes away from you and understand your local market. Those Chevy's were only ~$25k new, $35k at the most fully loaded, on average they're loosing ~10% of their value each year, $2k-$4k. Whereas BMW's are over $35k to start, they're losing $4k-$10k per year! Of course a 5 year old car that sold for $50k is going to cost >$20k 5 years later!

But with a current price of nearly $100k for an M5, adjust that for inflation, you were looking at a $30k 200k mile car that's lost 70+% of it's value. That owner is losing at least $50k inflation adjusted owning that car for X number of years selling it to you for $30k. Assuming you were looking at an E60 which retailed for >$90k new in 2005, that's a $7.5k loss per year on the value of that car in 2013, not including maintenance costs for keeping it in good shape for 200k miles!

There are quite a few M5's for <$20k as I was looking this morning, a couple in the $9k region even, just depends on your criteria. I'd rock this if it passed an inspection from a guy a trust:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/5449172991.html

You're telling me, you'd pick a >$70k car (the M4) and happily sell it 5 years later for ~40k, eating >$30k in losses over buying a ~$35k car (SS) and selling it 5 years later for $20k losing $15k in order to be financially conservative?

Fucking lol.

the person who makes the way more expensive car with slightly better resale vs way cheaper car with worse resale argument has never actually done the math.


don't arouse their contempt by explaining how terribly wrong they are.

[EAGLE5]

http://www.kbb.com/new-cars/best-res...e-top-10-cars/

[vh_supra26]

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Proving that the horsepower wars are far from over, Chevrolet unveiled the new 2017 Camaro sporting the Corvette Z06’s supercharged V8 pushing out an estimated 640hp (477 kW) and 640 lb-ft of torque (868 Nm).

That’s 10hp and 10 lb-ft short of the same 6.2-liter supercharged LT4 V8 found in the Corvette Z06, but a 60hp and 84 lb-ft leap over the previous Camaro ZL1’s 580hp 6.2-liter supercharged LSA powerplant. Not only that, but the new ZL1 underwent a rigorous diet and lost 200 pounds (91 kg) over its predecessor.

While GM hasn’t shared any performance numbers yet, it’s not hard to imagine that the new top dog in the Camaro’s lineup will be faster than the old ZL1 that hit 60mph (96km/h) in 4.0 seconds for the manual and 3.9 seconds for the automatic version with respective top speeds of 180mph (290 km/h) and 184mph (296 km/h).

Speaking of transmissions, a six-speed manual with active rev-matching capability remains the standard option for the 2017 Camaro ZL1, but the big news here is the first application of GM’s brand-new 10-speed automatic with paddle shifters and a 7.39 overall ratio for smaller steps between gears. Co-developed with Ford, the 10-speed automatic will eventually be introduced to eight GM vehicle models before the end of 2018.

Beyond the powertrain, the ZL1 gets a suite of performance technologies, including an updated Magnetic Ride suspension, Performance Traction Management, electronic limited-slip differential, Custom Launch Control and Driver Mode Selector. It rides on 20-inch forged alloys in 285/30ZR20 front and 305/30ZR20 rear Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires, with stopping power coming from a set of Brembo brakes with six-piston front and four piston rear calipers.

“The Camaro ZL1 is designed to excel at everything,” said Mark Reuss, executive vice president of Global Product Development. “It’s a 2+2 coupe offering incredible performance – acceleration, handling and braking – with the highest levels of technology and perfect chassis damping, making it suitable for everyday driving. It will compare well to any sports coupe, at any price and in any setting.”

The ZL1 isn’t shy of its racing pedigree, with GM stating that its exterior was “shaped during more than 100 hours of wind-tunnel testing and on-track validation to improve aerodynamics and cooling for track use”. Nevertheless, the first thing we noticed about the supercharged Camaro is that huge mouth under the slim upper grille; while it may do its job feeding air to the engine and aiding aerodynamics, its aesthetics are on the questionable side.

It also gets a newly designed hood, with a carbon fiber insert and heat extractor, a larger front splitter, unique rockers, a wing-style rear spoiler and wider front fenders.

“The design supports the Camaro ZL1’s exceptional performance and does so with compelling style,” said John Mack, Camaro exterior design manager. “From every angle, the elements coalesce to give the car a purposeful, super aggressive attitude.”

The interior plays along the same tune with standard Recaro front seats, a sueded flat-bottom steering wheel and shift knob, while Chevrolet’s Performance Data Recorder will be available too.

We’ll see the new 2017 Camaro ZL1 for the first time at next week’s New York Auto Show before it goes on sale towards the end of the year.

http://www.carscoops.com/2016/03/201...l1-brings.html

[tennisfreak]

Buddy just traded his 2013 Camaro 1LE for a brand new 2016 Camaro 2SS in that gorgeous blue.

I have to say its a very very nice car, better in every way from the previous gen.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

My Carolina Redneck DNA is tingling....

[vh_supra26]

FAST FACTS

• Engine: 2.0L turbocharged 4-cylinder
• Power: 275 hp, 295 lb-ft of torque
• Transmission: 6-speed manual or 8-speed automatic
• Fuel Economy: Automatics get 22 MPG City, 31 MPG Highway, Manual gets 21 MPG City, 30 MPG Highway
• US Price: Starts at $26,695

But today, catchphrases like “there’s no replacement for displacement” are being muted by ideas like “work smarter, not harder,” especially in the muscle car segment.

As fuel mileage continues to be a top concern among buyers, automakers have been advancing their turbocharged powertrains and cutting weight from their vehicles, ensuring that vehicles are as efficient as possible. And as the EcoBoost four-cylinder-powered Mustang proved, efficient cars don’t always have to sacrifice performance.

Starting with the 2015 model year Mustang, Ford offered an upgraded engine that slotted between the usual V6 and V8 motors and was available with a performance package. A 2.3-liter four-cylinder turbocharged engine made marginally more horsepower than the V6, but much more torque. It also promised improved fuel economy over the V6. Muscle car traditionalists decried the decision to include a four-cylinder, but strong sales of the EcoBoost have told a different story.

The Chevrolet Choice



The 2016 Chevrolet Camaro is following the Ford Mustang by offering a turbo-four in its pony car, but instead uses a 2.0-liter turbocharged motor as the base engine, rather than the mid-level offering. Another departure from the Mustang is that the four-cylinder turbo model won’t be available with a full performance package. Drivers can, however, get upgraded brakes and cooling features.

Fortunately, the sixth-generation Camaro has a number of improvements that make it a solid performer out of the box, with many thanks to the new Alpha platform. First used as the underpinning to the sharp Cadillac ATS sedan, the new Camaro is significantly lighter than the past generation model and is, on average, about 202 pounds lighter than the last generation V6 and V8 models. The new turbo-four model is a whopping 390 lbs lighter than the old V6 model, making it noticeably more nimble and agile.

A quick back-to-back track comparison of the 2015 Camaro V6, 2016 Mustang V6 and 2016 Camaro 2.0T demonstrated the new generation’s advancements in terms of handling, especially in its ability to change directions quickly and handle elevation changes. When driven back-to-back with the new Mustang V6, the Camaro felt stiffer and more responsive, while the Mustang felt large and floaty on the track. Lighter and more rigid, the new Camaro feels confident and more like a real sports coupe when pushed to its limit.

If You Stay with the Turbo



The Camaro 2.0T makes 275 hp and 295 lb-ft of torque, which is less power than the last-generation base V6 engine and the new Mustang V6. Despite the mundane figures, this model can rifle off to 60 mph in 5.5 seconds (5.4 in the manual), showcasing just how much of an impact the lighter curb weight has on performance. For reference, the manual EcoBoost Mustang with the optional performance pack managed this sprint in about 5.5 to 5.6 seconds, while automatic Mustang EcoBoosts are a hair under 6 seconds.

On the track, the car provided torque right when you wanted it, as the car’s flat torque curve starts delivering peak torque at 3,000 rpm, which is right in the middle of the rev range. The motor easily pushed the car through the short circuit at Spring Mountain Motor Sports Park. The combination of light weight, responsive handling and rear-wheel drive was more than capable of helping the car rotate through tight turns on the track. Also, it’s important to mention that the exhaust note of the 2.0T Camaro is real (not piped in) and sounds more refined than what the noises EcoBoost Mustang pipes out.

Furthermore, the punch off the line with the 2.0T will erase any bitter memories of the third-generation Camaro with its sad 2.5-liter four-cylinder that hit 60 mph in about 20 seconds. Chevrolet also made us aware that this new 2.0T matches the fourth-generation Camaro Z28 (with its 5.7-liter V8) in horsepower and performance figures.

While power is sent to the rear wheels, buyers can opt for a solid six-speed manual or an eight-speed automatic. The automatic option is a great choice for those looking for a daily cruiser with highway fuel consumption estimates in the 31 mph range, while city driving will net about 22 mpg. Testing of the manual transmission was limited to the track, where it performed admirably and featured great pedal placement for heel-toe downshifts. Buyers of the manual model can expect to see 21 mpg city and 30 mpg highway.

Fully Featured



Where the Camaro clearly one-ups its rival pony car is with available features. While premium features like navigation have to be matched to a higher-trim engine in the Mustang, the Camaro offers all the goodies across the range. As such, you could have a four-cylinder Camaro with a head-up display, heated and vented seats, heated steering wheel, blind-spot assist, a sunroof, dual-zone automatic climate control, leather upholstery and basically any other feature found throughout the range. If a buyer wants a fully loaded Camaro but with the fuel-efficient and lightweight turbocharged engine, they’re free to do exactly that.

While we’ve covered the interior before, it’s important to point out how hit and miss it is. Certain aspects of the interior like the climate control knobs and the high quality chrome trim on the door handles and around the shifter are excellent. On the other hand, the dashboard and upper door panel trim is notably low-rent feeling. The touchscreen found in the middle is also awkwardly slanted, which was ineffective in reducing glare. Finally, as with the last Camaro, visibility is awful, the proportions of the car take some getting used to, and there’s also a very small trunk opening.

Pricing

The Camaro starts at $26,695 including destination and includes the 2.0T as standard equipment. It’s slightly pricier than the base Mustang V6, which rings in at $25,045, which is more also powerful, but is limited in its available features. A fully loaded Camaro 2.0T would be an automatic 2LT model with the RS Package, additional ground-effects trim, upgraded brakes and navigation, and would cost you more than $40,000. It’s a bit much, but it’s all there if buyers are interested.



Verdict: 2016 Chevrolet Camaro 2.0T Review

Consumer choice is always a good thing, and this new four-cylinder option will appeal to muscle car fans looking for a fuel-friendly option that’s still responsive and fun to drive, even at the basic end of the model lineup. The fact you can load it up with all the features you want is a huge bonus.

LOVE IT
Improved fuel efficiency
Light and nimble
Tons of available features

LEAVE IT
Visibility
No performance packages
Cargo room

http://www.autoguide.com/manufacture...ro-2-0t-review

[Dark]

Camaro ZL1 at 3600lb: Could have 30 hp more.

BRZ/ Miata at 2700lb/2300lb: Could have 50hp more.

Any effing German car with 4000lb- a million lb: 350hp is enough.

Badge snobs


Oh that M2 of yours at 3600lb costs 50K, it only comes with 365hp.

I just throw it out there because it won't be long we're going to have that.

[vh_supra26]

Chevrolet surprised us today with the unveiling of the open-top version of their new 2017 Camaro ZL1 at the New York Auto Show.

Offered with "comparable performance to the coupe model", as the manufacturer states, it uses the 6.2-liter V8 LT4 Small Block engine, borrowed from the Corvette Z06, rated at 640 HP (649 PS) and 640 pound-feet (868 Nm) of torque.

Power is sent to the asphalt through a standard 6-speed manual or the new 10-speed automatic, with paddle shifters, making the Camaro ZL1 Convertible the second GM car to use this gearbox, which was exclusively developed for the ZL1.

The drop-top muscle car uses the modular and rigid body architecture of the coupe, which is said to have been designed to "support a high-performance convertible". This means that the two versions are separated by "only a few minor structural differences".

Chevy is keeping info on the newest member of the Camaro family to the minimum, but we will remind you that just like the coupe, it benefits from Performance Traction Management, updated Magnetic Ride suspension, electronic limited-slip differential, Custom Launch Control and Driver Mode Selector. It rides on 20-inch forged aluminum wheels, wrapped in Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar rubber, that hide the Brembo brakes.

The Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Convertible is nothing more than a tease at this point as it will go on sale in early 2017.

http://www.carscoops.com/2016/03/che...amaro-zl1.html

[MisterSheep]

How much are they going to say the new 2017 ZL1 is going to weigh? I think the SS is great at weighing 3600 pounds and is in the right direction.. but is the ZL1 going to weigh more just like the previous gen? Still awaiting the Z28 track monster to be introduced.

[WolfpackS2k]

They said it's 200 lb lighter than the previous ZL1, which I believe was closer to 4000 lb than 3900 lb.

[RichardsFRS]

LOL muscle car and four cylinder in same paragraph. Youre an fool if you buy a camaro with anything less than a v8. I'll just keep my little capable enough sportscar for now.