Learning manual on the 86

[emishor86]

In regards to incline though, is it necessary to use the handbrake for hill stops? I find it annoying and I'm much better using the foot brake.
Some people say the 86/FRS/BRZ isn't 'torquey' enough so the handbrake is the best for hills as it can damage the car more using the foot brake, and do you run the risk of rolling back using the brake pedal?

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by emishor86

In regards to incline though, is it necessary to use the handbrake for hill stops? I find it annoying and I'm much better using the foot brake.
Some people say the 86/FRS/BRZ isn't 'torquey' enough so the handbrake is the best for hills as it can damage the car more using the foot brake, and do you run the risk of rolling back using the brake pedal?

We had a huge debate about this a few months ago. The handbrake is the "wrong" noob way to do it but perfectly safe and useable. Jumping from brake to gas is the elite "right" way to do it

[emishor86]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

We had a huge debate about this a few months ago. The handbrake is the "wrong" noob way to do it but perfectly safe and useable. Jumping from brake to gas is the elite "right" way to do it

haha, usually the older instructors always insist you use the handbrake method, however I feel like on steep hills you may roll back a little

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by emishor86

haha, usually the older instructors always insist you use the handbrake method, however I feel like on steep hills you may roll back a little

That's why you would use it is to avoid that. Hold until you have enough forward tension, then release. Ez

[mdm]

Nothing wrong or noob with using the handbrake. Whatever suits you, if you don't want to hurry with your feet, or if you care about the nerves of the driver behind you in case you roll back a bit, use the handbrake. Otherwise, go with foot brake.


The decision should depend on what you are comfortable with, what is convenient in particular cirmstances, and on the steepness of the hill. Not on someone on the internet saying it's noob.


Before I started braking with my left foot, I sometimes used handbrake when starting on very steep hills in an AT car. So what.

[Summerwolf]

I had never heard of using the handbrake on a hill until that thread. I don't think anyone genuinely "instructs" it, or it is a relatively new thing.

Or people can't drive.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by mdm

Nothing wrong or noob with using the handbrake. Whatever suits you, if you don't want to hurry with your feet, or if you care about the nerves of the driver behind you in case you roll back a bit, use the handbrake. Otherwise, go with foot brake.


The decision should depend on what you are comfortable with, what is convenient in particular cirmstances, and on the steepness of the hill. Not on someone on the internet saying it's noob.


Before I started braking with my left foot, I sometimes used handbrake when starting on very steep hills in an AT car. So what.

Wow left foot brake too? You shouldn't even be in a car! Jk whatever works. We had a huge debate on that too lol

[mdm]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I had never heard of using the handbrake on a hill until that thread.

Some never heard of using the parking brake to park, other of using it for hill starts... So what did you think was the reason why it was put in cars? FWD drifting only?

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by mdm

Some never heard of using the parking brake to park, other of using it for hill starts... So what did you think was the reason why it was put in cars? FWD drifting only?

No... for parking on an incline. It is basically supposed to be a failsafe if your car slips out of gear while your parked. Hence the other common term "emergency brake."

[mdm]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

No... for parking on an incline. It is basically supposed to be a failsafe if your car slips out of gear while your parked. Hence the other common term "emergency brake."

I don't like the name because it sort of implies it can be substitute for your regular brakes if they fail, and it barely can.


Anyway, it's a tool which has more than one use, and facilitating uphill starts is one of them.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

No... for parking on an incline. It is basically supposed to be a failsafe if your car slips out of gear while your parked. Hence the other common term "emergency brake."

But if you're starting on an incline aren't you temporarily parked? And isn't rolling back an emergency?

Edit, can we just permanently change the name to "drift handle"?

[emishor86]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

But if you're starting on an incline aren't you temporarily parked? And isn't rolling back an emergency?

Edit, can we just permanently change the name to "drift handle"?

So are you saying on steep hills with traffic, you'd be using no handbrake, just being skilled and swift with the brake?

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by emishor86

So are you saying on steep hills with traffic, you'd be using no handbrake, just being skilled and swift with the brake?

I would. The """right"""way to do it is to be skilled and swift. The safe way to do it is with the handbrake. I use the handbrake because it's not worth the risk to me. Other people feel differently.

I realise my edit made my last post seem kinda ambiguous but I was just trying to work in the drift handle comment. I am 100% for using the hand brake for things other than parking

[Bowen]

Using the ebrake on a hill is perfectly fine. Engaging the ebrake, getting the clutch and gas just right when the car starts to tug, and then disengaging the ebrake. This is much less harmful to the clutch rather than working the gas and clutch to simply stay in place on the hill.

If you wanna check out what you should and shouldn't do while driving a manual, check out Engineering Explained's video called 5 Things You Shouldn't Do While Driving A Manual. It's got some great stuff in it that I wish knew when learning to drive manual.

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