Oil

[steve99]

Originally Posted by go_a_way1

oil is not what it used to be. Even in +40C 0w-20 is fine. not until your oil hits ~300F should you really be worried (talking synthetic 0W-20 here).

Yes modern synthetic oils will hold togeather at very high temps, but its the oil pressure you need to look at at high temps oil viscosity is less, they quote oil viscosities at 100C

At over 100C the oil thins out to way less than the 100C rates W20 and pressure drops, even the shear free race oils still loose some viscosity as temps increase

0w20 will work everywhere but if you drive hard in a hot climate your better of with a 0w30 , 5w30 and if it never get below zero even 10w30 in fact thats what the subaru dealer put in here,

if you have an oil cooler and your oil temps never exceed 120C then your fine with 0W20

have a look here
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91820


and maybe here , guy in the video has installed his pressure guage in a position that may read low , but just look at the general trend of temp vs pressure

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDfFJ5s6IDg"]FRS - BRZ Oil Pressure and Temperature Tech FA20 - YouTube[/ame]

[steve99]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Yes an oil cooler helps.

true if you drive hard for extended periods in a hot climate then an oil cooler is the best option

[Fish Eagle]

Thanks for the quotes from totally irrelevant North American Scion books which are meaningless and misleading here.

We have our own books, published by Toyota South Africa, for our Toyota 86's, which are also different models and spec levels to the rest of the world. Our models are closest to the Middle East models.

Every 86 sold in SA comes with a full service plan, and a very comprehensive and excellent warranty. Very different to the watered down warranties of North America.

Toyota South Africa will put their recommended oil in your car, whether you, or any opinionated person from overseas thinks it's the best oil or not. It doesn't matter - THERE IS NO CHOICE, unless you want to kiss your three year fully inclusive service plan and a three year warranty goodbye. Obviously not. I hope this gets my point home it doesn't matter what you think is right. What Toyota South Africa thinks is right is paramount, whether it's right or wrong..... and it isn't wrong. I'm not arguing the merits of oil, I'm telling you that you're giving OP very bad advice.

OP was worried whether they put the right oil in his car. They did, and that's what I said, and you bozos try to tell him otherwise.

I say again to the probably well-meaning folks from overseas, and the trolls - go away, you're giving very bad advice in the South African context. You judge everything by what happens in your country, and that's wrong. You have no idea how Toyota SA works...

To the troll from Canada - yes, I do know a lot about oils, and have probably forgotten more than you have ever learnt. Please go away, you won't get any "Thank You" points here.

[justatroll]

Originally Posted by Fish Eagle

Thanks for the quotes from totally irrelevant North American Scion books which are meaningless and misleading here.

We have our own books, published by Toyota South Africa, for our Toyota 86's, which are also different models and spec levels to the rest of the world. Our models are closest to the Middle East models.

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So you are calling the OP a liar when he states:

Originally Posted by bluesblue

Will someone please give me clarity on the oil grade that is supposed to be used?
manual says 0W20
Toyota Says 5W30
Toyota tech Says 0W20 but service invoice states 5W30, so which is it?

Thanks in advance.

And I guess they make engine with different metal and tolerances just for SA specifically.
Of course I believe him since that is exactly the same as what my manual states.

[ShaunWRX]

Originally Posted by justatroll

So you are calling the OP a liar when he states:





And I guess they make engine with different metal and tolerances just for SA specifically.
Of course I believe him since that is exactly the same as what my manual states.

[jarnojvv]

Originally Posted by Fish Eagle

Thanks for the quotes from totally irrelevant North American Scion books which are meaningless and misleading here.

We have our own books, published by Toyota South Africa, for our Toyota 86's, which are also different models and spec levels to the rest of the world. Our models are closest to the Middle East models.

Every 86 sold in SA comes with a full service plan, and a very comprehensive and excellent warranty. Very different to the watered down warranties of North America.

Toyota South Africa will put their recommended oil in your car, whether you, or any opinionated person from overseas thinks it's the best oil or not. It doesn't matter - THERE IS NO CHOICE, unless you want to kiss your three year fully inclusive service plan and a three year warranty goodbye. Obviously not. I hope this gets my point home it doesn't matter what you think is right. What Toyota South Africa thinks is right is paramount, whether it's right or wrong..... and it isn't wrong. I'm not arguing the merits of oil, I'm telling you that you're giving OP very bad advice.

OP was worried whether they put the right oil in his car. They did, and that's what I said, and you bozos try to tell him otherwise.

I say again to the probably well-meaning folks from overseas, and the trolls - go away, you're giving very bad advice in the South African context. You judge everything by what happens in your country, and that's wrong. You have no idea how Toyota SA works...

To the troll from Canada - yes, I do know a lot about oils, and have probably forgotten more than you have ever learnt. Please go away, you won't get any "Thank You" points here.

Manual says 0w20. In South Africa. Its the pic I posted.

[Fish Eagle]

Originally Posted by jarnojvv

Manual says 0w20. In South Africa. Its the pic I posted.

Yes, that's the general international manual.

Read the South African "Book of Life" - it says whatever Toyota SA says, goes, and that's gospel in South Africa.
And Toyota SA does not use 0w20. They use 5w30. Finish and klaar...
So you need to argue your point with Toyota South Africa.

This is the book, and the cover and first 2 pages look like this...

[Samurai 20V]

I work for Toyota SA and maybe can help here, I also owned an 86 so have some knowledge.

The overseas guys are correct, 0W20 is specced for this car, designed for it and will run fine.

In SA, this is not a common spec of oil at all.. I looked high and low, could not find it.

In the early days of the 86 here, there were issues with engines running bearings, some down to driver abuse and some legit failures.

As a result, Toyota SA were very strict on oil specs, they recommended 5W30 for exclusive use in the 86. If any customer was proven to use any other oil, they stood the chance of losing their warranty.

In our country there is always a guy looking for a loophole, hence this kind of stance from Toyota SA.

So Fish eagle is correct in saying for SA, due to Toyota SA policy, best to stick with the Toyota oil of 5W30 if your car is in warranty.

[86 South Africa]

Originally Posted by Samurai 20V

I work for Toyota SA and maybe can help here, I also owned an 86 so have some knowledge.

The overseas guys are correct, 0W20 is specced for this car, designed for it and will run fine.

In SA, this is not a common spec of oil at all.. I looked high and low, could not find it.

In the early days of the 86 here, there were issues with engines running bearings, some down to driver abuse and some legit failures.

As a result, Toyota SA were very strict on oil specs, they recommended 5W30 for exclusive use in the 86. If any customer was proven to use any other oil, they stood the chance of losing their warranty.

In our country there is always a guy looking for a loophole, hence this kind of stance from Toyota SA.

So Fish eagle is correct in saying for SA, due to Toyota SA policy, best to stick with the Toyota oil of 5W30 if your car is in warranty.

Can I assume it's a good idea to stick with this oil with minor mods too... (exhaust and flex fuel in my case)?

[sav]

What's with all the trolls on this thread? Toyota SA specifies 5W30, simple as that. As Fish Eagle said, go argue with them.

[sav]

The trolls are also not considering the fact that this is a very hot climate and we don't see snow or sub zero temperatures.


From Toyota SA:

[Fish Eagle]

Originally Posted by 86 South Africa

Can I assume it's a good idea to stick with this oil with minor mods too... (exhaust and flex fuel in my case)?

Yes. I've been using their oil for over two years in my Vortech supercharged car, and I've only recently changed to another brand - not by choice, but because I get oil sponsorship. My car's done 24 track days using Toyota's oil, and it doesn't use a drop of oil. BTW, I'm now using a 5w50 synthetic racing oil.

[Samurai 20V]

Originally Posted by Fish Eagle

Yes. I've been using their oil for over two years in my Vortech supercharged car, and I've only recently changed to another brand - not by choice, but because I get oil sponsorship. My car's done 24 track days using Toyota's oil, and it doesn't use a drop of oil. BTW, I'm now using a 5w50 synthetic racing oil.

Hows the 5W50 synthetic going?

I am looking for a 10w50 fully synthetic for my Supra, difficult to find, next option is 5W50.

What brand is it?

[Samurai 20V]

Originally Posted by 86 South Africa

Can I assume it's a good idea to stick with this oil with minor mods too... (exhaust and flex fuel in my case)?

With the Toyota Oil being sold as a Diesel oil, not sure if it designed with E85 in mind.

If your car is out of warranty (which it will be in Toyotas eyes as a result of your mods) then I would go with a 5W30 and API SN oil as this is designed with protection for cars running E85.

As noted here, our climate may not necessitate a 0W20 oil, I think supply of it will be an issue in SA anyway..