Subaru BRZ or Scion FR-S?

[AznBRZer]

Originally Posted by RichardsFRS

No offence but you have one of the ugliest cars in the world. I think kids should be seen not heard. You have no respect for anyone I can see that and you really have no business talking to me because you and are generations apart and world's apart and sounds like you really know nothing about cars other than what's todays fad. So with that being said. Asta. Have a nice life kid

Why would I be offended? I clearly have a Superior car made by a Superior manufacturer, which in turn makes me high quality and is the reason why you're drinking the haterade. Why would I need your approval when I already know that I am a High Quality Person.

You want to know what I think? I think that YOU'RE the one that wants my approval in order to be associated with high quality people like BRZ owners. It's kinda sad when you think about it.

[PureShield]

Originally Posted by RichardsFRS

As I said saw and read, I don't apply what I saw or read as truth, only what I gained from it. I think one was from a first drive video.

I see, no worries.

[Impureclient]

OH MAN...Richard just submit and tell him his car is better! Also what happened to the OP "chick"? I bet she got scared, jumped ship and just got a Honda or Hyundai. Also if it matters to anybody, I got the grouper and it was delicious.

[AznBRZer]

Originally Posted by Impureclient

Also if it matters to anybody, I got the grouper and it was delicious.

You make this life worth living.

[go_a_way1]

disclaimer: Did not read the thread

[Sonicp9]

I'm not posting this for the OP as they may or may not be in China but rather I will post this for anyone else reading this who may also have the same question.

Both cars are nearly identical. It is true that the Subaru comes with some better options and costs more. But the main reason why I got an FRS was because Toyota offered 84 month financing (at only 1.8%) whereas Subaru only offers up to 60mo. otherwise they make you take a bank rate which is like 6 or 7%. I would have taken the Subaru had they offered proper financing but instead went for Scion which was far more affordable in the long run. I also am really impressed with their service thus far; I am coming from a Volkswagen which was just a complete nightmare.

Edit: I am in Toronto, Canada

[DSOmegaX]

Originally Posted by AznBRZer

Do you have something against 11 year old girls? My grandma was one once and grew up to raise 2 kids as a single mother in the middle of the Cultural Revolution after her husband disappeared.

But here's the thing: even 11 year old girls know that the BRZ is the better car that all the cooler people drive. Everyone else is just beta. And once you own a BRZ, the coolness always follows you in whatever you drive. You get double cool points if you get a WRX next, but it's poseur points if you own them at the same time( I'm talking about YOU, @DSOmegaX).

Don't worry I sold my WRX! haha

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by PureShield

Hey, hows it going? Unfortunately you have your story completely backwards of how the 86 what created. Basically Toyota was designing a new sports car basing it off of the 2000GT, Sports 800 and AE86. After trying a couple of different engine layouts they had no luck of what they wanted it to be. Toyota then contacted Subaru and after awhile of trying to get them on board the project Subaru finally agreed and they co-designed the engine and car together. As for who sells more, Toyota vs. Subaru, It's a proven fact that Toyota sells more 86s than Subaru sells BRZs.

Originally Posted by RichardsFRS

As I said saw and read, I don't apply what I saw or read as truth, only what I gained from it. I think one was from a first drive video.

Take this as a grain of salt.

& make it interesting, I'll add some pics to go along with this story. lol


Chief Engineer Tada-san was called up by President of Toyota (Akio Toyoda) and ordered to stop what he was working (nothing crazy, simple eco car) and bring few mens to start on new project. This was back in '06.


He was told to make whatever car he wanted. It could of been high power, high speed, crazy style or ANYTHING. Only one condition, it have to be SPORTS CAR. He and his team went through several of old Toyota glorify sports cars. Old as 2000GT and new as Supra to get some ideas on what would people want. Designers for FT-86 Concept walked everyday to work passing through several Toyota sports car display (like 2000GT). Of course, design looks like 2000GT and few other Toyota Sports car. As a result, they made few concepts, one was FT-HS.


After several months designing and re-designing and more re-designing, they finally show off FT-86 Concept. Showing of FT-86 Concept at TAS with massive positive review and feedback from both inside Toyota corp and media, they went off to work more on FT-86 Concept.


His idea was NA engine with lightweight RWD car that owner can mod or do whatever they want to. Which Toyota made several car like that. Famous one of all is AE86. He contacted Moto-san from Club4AG and get some feedback and idea from him.


While working on this project, Toyota bought partial stock of Subaru. Tada-san thought that "This might be some kind of fate, how about using Subaru's new engine?" So he asked President, if possible to work with Subaru on this project and they brought few men into this project. Which he thought was a good idea, but Subaru didn't see that as a good idea. Countless months of debating going nowhere saying "It's ridiculous" or "That's impossible".


He have finally convinced Subaru to make a hacked up car using Subaru parts. After few modification done and both Subaru and Toyota test driver and other engineer drove it, only thing they could say was "Huh, it's actually not bad" & smile on their face. After that, project went smoother... but there were several issue they had to go through (not gonna list em all).


Countless hours of debates, sweat, blood, tears, test driving, fixing, adjusting, fixing more, re-designing, re-engineering, even raced in 24hrs Nur and gave more than 120%, here we have it. Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ.

Again, take this as grain of salt.

Source: Me. Meeting & interviewing Tada-san and other designer/engineers for this projects & talking with Moto-san countless hours.

[RichardsFRS]

Originally Posted by Impureclient

OH MAN...Richard just submit and tell him his car is better! Also what happened to the OP "chick"? I bet she got scared, jumped ship and just got a Honda or Hyundai. Also if it matters to anybody, I got the grouper and it was delicious.

Grouper fingers good stuff. Yes they do have fingers.
There's nothing to submit. I smushed it with my last post.

[RichardsFRS]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Take this as a grain of salt.

Sweet! Do you have the whole interview. Does he talk about the 2000 I love that car! Im interested in a real take of the twins birth, just because it's such an interesting car.

Wow that's pretty cool and it did favor the story I heard wit them getting inspiration from their stable. Fuck I'd love to see the Supra in there. That white thing is pretty awesome. Thanks for the back story!

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by RichardsFRS

Sweet! Do you have the whole interview. Does he talk about the 2000 I love that car! Im interested in a real take of the twins birth, just because it's such an interesting car.

I only talk about 86 with him, so I'm not sure what he thinks about 2000GT.

I cannot say all the detail story how twins was made, due to a lot of infos are secret... but they're amazing stories and they really did put passion making this car.

Example, center mirror. Center mirror is an original design. You might be thinking "wow~ that's cool... *rolls eyes*". BUT when designing a car, some of the parts already have pre-set parts. Mirror is one of them. Toyota gave Tada-san several options of mirrors for the 86, but Tada-san throw all of those mirrors saying "we're making our own design that match this car!" Not even Toyota's expensive car LFA didn't have that option (LFA have pre-set mirror in that car).

There are several other stuff that's pretty nifty and all other back end stuff I could say... but I can't

[RichardsFRS]

That's pretty cool. Some day maybe they'll be a five page motor trend spread on it. Your story just BACKS up the unique aspect of the car

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by RichardsFRS

That's pretty cool. Some day maybe they'll be a five page motor trend spread on it. Your story just BACKS up the unique aspect of the car

Well, if you like, you can read 19 pages of 86 Development story wrote by Toyota.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5274

[RichardsFRS]

Will indeed read it for bed time reading.