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Old 12-19-2015, 12:07 PM   #57
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I think there's an economy shift light mode on the car too. Basically tells you when to shift the the maximum fuel economy. Turned it off after 5 minutes. Basically, once the clutch is fully in for first, it rings for a shift. I'm like come on, just got in gear. Besides, engine doesn't feel happy under 2K.
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I think there's an economy shift light mode on the car too. Basically tells you when to shift the the maximum fuel economy. Turned it off after 5 minutes. Basically, once the clutch is fully in for first, it rings for a shift. I'm like come on, just got in gear. Besides, engine doesn't feel happy under 2K.
I believe its around 3k rpm. Its right next to the gear indicator on my MT FRS, its like a small, solid triangle, flashing while you're within the eco range.
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I believe its around 3k rpm. Its right next to the gear indicator on my MT FRS, its like a small, solid triangle, flashing while you're within the eco range.
It varies quite a bit based on conditions. Makes for a pretty boring drive in any case.
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I think there's an economy shift light mode on the car too. Basically tells you when to shift the the maximum fuel economy. Turned it off after 5 minutes. Basically, once the clutch is fully in for first, it rings for a shift. I'm like come on, just got in gear. Besides, engine doesn't feel happy under 2K.
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It varies quite a bit based on conditions. Makes for a pretty boring drive in any case.
I spent a few days playing it like Guitar Hero. Tried to hit the light right as it came on.
"boring drive" is a huge understatement. Found myself nodding off.
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I spent a few days playing it like Guitar Hero. Tried to hit the light right as it came on.
"boring drive" is a huge understatement. Found myself nodding off.
This light is so handy. Found out about it through this thread, switched it on today, fantastic.
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I turned on all this crap when I first got the car and read the hype about them on this board. I drove off down the street to test it out. It was so annoying that I pulled over and turned it all off.

In the old days we called these idiot lights, as in lights the manufacturers put on the car for idiots who couldn't read gauges. You're driving a sports car now. Learn to read the gauges.

It's my one complaint with this car that they didn't configure the gauges all straight up for a quick visual sweep and didn't include an oil pressure gauge.

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Mine is more of my boss telling me to get that report done, then me sending him a copy of it, him noting the changes I need to make, then redoing it, then more changes, then redoing it again. third time is always a charm for me.
I'm an auditor, and in auditing you usually have a review process where someone above you goes over your work and provides "coaching notes" to be addressed before signing off on the work papers. When I was working at a major accounting firm, we had one manager in our group who would always include coaching notes. The problem was that the cleaner your work papers were, the more coaching notes you would get from this guy, and they would be bizarre notes that didn't make any sense at all. In some cases he would just leave a note that said: "????" It would take several rounds of back and forth with this guy to get everything taken care of, and it could be very stressful. The staffers would talk amongst ourselves about it: "Hey, read this note. Can you tell what the fuck Eric's asking about here?"

Then I took a soft skills course on work personality types and immediately recognized this guy as a "socializer" type who got most of his satisfaction at work not from the work itself, but from interaction with other people. These types usually end up in high interaction careers like sales, but somehow this guy ended up as an audit manager. In contrast, I'm a "director" type who just wants to get the shit done and move on to something else without a lot of drama. Our work types were diametrically opposed. I realized that he really didn't care whether the work papers were "right" or "wrong." He was using the coaching notes as an excuse to create these opportunities to interact with the employees, most of whom did NOT want to interact with him. If you didn't leave him anything to comment on, he'd just make shit up so he would feel like he was doing his job and badger the hell out of you until you made time to socialize with him.

So what I and another director-type colleague started doing was intentionally leaving some part of every work paper he would be reviewing incomplete or including a glaring, obvious error. He would zero in on that, and only that. There were no more of these bizarre, meaningless coaching notes. We would drop by his office and discuss the error. "Man, I didn't even see that. I'm glad you caught it. I'll fix it right away." Then we'd fix it, he would approve it, and we would move on with a minimum of drama.

It was a win-win. He got his fix of personal interaction. We got to waste less time. The best part was that even though we were intentionally fucking up our work papers, our project evaluations actually scored higher.

The down side was that this manager started requesting us on all his projects. But it wasn't so bad once we knew how to manage him.
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Old 12-20-2015, 02:51 PM   #63
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But it wasn't so bad once we knew how to manage him.
Great read. My younger brother years ago shared with me a bumper sticker phrase that has helped me tremendously. "Manage your manager."
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Great read. My younger brother years ago shared with me a bumper sticker phrase that has helped me tremendously. "Manage your manager."
Any manager worth his salt is well aware of the whole "manage your manager" train of thought. The same goes for the situation that Extra spoke about. If the guy was any good at all he would have figured out that they were playing him. Mind you he would also know that he was messing up by his style in the first place. That ploy may work with the incompetent but could soon have some unwanted consequences if the person figured it out.


I have sent reports or proposals back to new or intern engineers marked with just "????" but not because I wanted them to come socialize (come on they are engineers after all) but because I want them to think about and find what is wrong not simply point it out to them. I will of course follow up very shortly after returning it to see if they figured it out. Many do, some don't, and that is when the coaching starts.
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Keep the light at 7200 rpm. Turned the beeper completely off. It adds to the overall feeling of being in a race car. I don't reach it often, but it's such a nice touch by the developers that I have to keep the setting on.
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Keep the light at 7200 rpm. Turned the beeper completely off. It adds to the overall feeling of being in a race car. I don't reach it often, but it's such a nice touch by the developers that I have to keep the setting on.
We aren't talking the rev indicator here but the shift indicator that tells you what gear you are in and when to shift.
I don't use the rev indicator either since I know I hit max when the cut off cuts in. Doubt I would have the reaction time to stop when it hit7200 anyway.
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Any manager worth his salt is well aware of the whole "manage your manager" train of thought. The same goes for the situation that Extra spoke about. If the guy was any good at all he would have figured out that they were playing him. Mind you he would also know that he was messing up by his style in the first place. That ploy may work with the incompetent but could soon have some unwanted consequences if the person figured it out.
Fair cop. I didn't mean to advocate fucking with your manager. I'm dead set against any sort of underhanded shenanigans and I failed to make that distinction.

There's real benefit in learning what your manager expects and then delivering before it is requested. That's the key.
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Fair cop. I didn't mean to advocate fucking with your manager. I'm dead set against any sort of underhanded shenanigans and I failed to make that distinction.

There's real benefit in learning what your manager expects and then delivering before it is requested. That's the key.
Ohhh I didn't think you were.
I always find it funny how pop culture likes to portray the typical Manager and either an incompetent, bumbling buffoon (i.e. Office Space, Dilbert) or an evil dictator to be resisted and fought at every step (i.e. just about any movie or show about retail). The reality of the job in this age means they actually do the tasks that were done by many people just a few years ago (before places rolled back) and the bad ones that don't show results get weeded out fast. It can be interesting when you have the janitor complaining about something and 2 minutes later have a VP complaining about the same topic from the totally opposite viewpoint. You have to figure out what to do to please them both and that ain't always easy.
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So, if I understand it correctly, the MT version of our cars has an indicator, that can be turned on, which shows what gear the car is in ...... ??

If this is so, my take is that is if a driver needs that indicator ......... he/she shouldn't be driving a MT car ......


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So, if I understand it correctly, the MT version of our cars has an indicator, that can be turned on, which shows what gear the car is in ...... ??

If this is so, my take is that is if a driver needs that indicator ......... he/she shouldn't be driving a MT car ......


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Actually I disagree. I have used it on occasion.
When you use a MT as a DD, much of what we do is muscle memory and we dont even pay attention to shifting under normal situations.
But when something unexpected happens and snaps us out of the muscle memory regime, we have to survey our situation to reacquire all the info.

I have looked down on occasion to see what gear I was in.
Before the indicator we used to take it out of gear to remind us what gear we were in.

Now if you are canyon carving or flat out racing, you definitely should be paying close enough attention to not casually forget.

How many people like to turn off the stereo and climate controls when driving hard to maximize focus on the car?
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