2017 Model Year Improvements

[stevesnj]

One way to keep the HP the same and add a boost in power and keep the 86x86 specs in the engine is to do what Formula 1 does. Add an inline (at the trans or at the crank) electric boost. To keep weight low it may be only 10-15 HP gain but would still keep the nostalgia of the "86" while adding more weight lower to the ground than a turbo or and it would be largely unseen. Just a thought. :p

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yep. A joint venture with Volkswagen should show up any day now. It will be a diesel I understand from my very reliable insider source.

I'd buy it. Something about the way diesels sound at idle makes me get a weird feeling in my pee pee

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Eighty 6

Ive been seeing info flying around for a while. I read the scion statement, not many changes but changes all the same. The most important question is the mechanical one, why are they so vague about the hp when its the most important thing to any new buyer.

No, no, no, no and no.
Some maybe, but not all. Probably not even a majority really.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Eighty 6

The most important question is the mechanical one, why are they so vague about the hp when its the most important thing to any new buyer.

I didn't buy mine for that reason. I want a fun, great handling daily driver with track ability 5-6 times a year. If people want a HP increase which would be minimal if they do, they need to research this car more. Those that have buyers remorse because of discovering this is not a straight line performance car are at their own fault for not researching or even test driving before purchase. I'd say HP will increase lightly but I wouldn't expect anything over 15hp. Changes in head design, intake, trans gear ratios, mapping change would be done before any FI.

But this car is not engineered for the consumer with high HP since the buyer can do that on their own.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

I didn't buy mine for that reason. I want a fun, great handling daily driver with track ability 5-6 times a year. If people want a HP increase which would be minimal if they do, they need to research this car more. Those that have buyers remorse because of discovering this is not a straight line performance car are at their own fault for not researching or even test driving before purchase. I'd say HP will increase lightly but I wouldn't expect anything over 15hp. Changes in head design, intake, trans gear ratios, mapping change would be done before any FI.

But this car is not engineered for the consumer with high HP since the buyer can do that on their own.

With tougher emissions controls laws coming out world wide every year it will be harder for them to wring much more horse power out through basic changes. With this in mind even 15 is pretty optimistic since what ever they do they will have to reduce the emissions while trying to bump power. Quite the juggling act really.

[Eighty 6]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

I didn't buy mine for that reason. I want a fun, great handling daily driver with track ability 5-6 times a year. If people want a HP increase which would be minimal if they do, they need to research this car more. Those that have buyers remorse because of discovering this is not a straight line performance car are at their own fault for not researching or even test driving before purchase. I'd say HP will increase lightly but I wouldn't expect anything over 15hp. Changes in head design, intake, trans gear ratios, mapping change would be done before any FI.

But this car is not engineered for the consumer with high HP since the buyer can do that on their own.

I agree with everything you say. It wouldn't be drastic boost or something you'd see by lifting the hood to see the engine, no matter what hp this car is it's an amazing ride but put one with 210 hp and another with 200 hp side by side which one would you choose? I'm thinking if they have boosted the hp slightly they won't announce it till most of the older stock is sold. I guess only time will tell.

[86geek]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yep. A joint venture with Volkswagen should show up any day now. It will be a diesel I understand from my very reliable insider source.

LmfaOOO! Yuh!

[nikitopo]

It is funny that so many people still demanding power. When I first drove my car, what I wanted was more handling.

[brillo]

If they can cure the torque dip, up the redline slightly and use stiffer bushings for the drive train to get as much power to the ground as possible they can really improve the 0-60 without materially changing the engine power output.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

With tougher emissions controls laws coming out world wide every year it will be harder for them to wring much more horse power out through basic changes. With this in mind even 15 is pretty optimistic since what ever they do they will have to reduce the emissions while trying to bump power. Quite the juggling act really.

Smaller engines with big turbos. Isn't that how Ford is doing it now?

The biggest thing I think most people don't get, is yeah, sure, the twins get a power bump, 220hp, 190tq? Something like that, I don't know if that's a reasonable tq output, but regardless, just a number there for arguments sake. If the price is kept at 26,xxx, how many people will then start to cross shop the WRX and the twins? It may not be many, but it may be enough to sway some people. I think that may also be part of the reason for the TQ dip. But, I don't know. I don't care enough to look at spec sheets and price out the different cars to know. What I (and I'm using i as my preference) is that after a year of ownership, the "low power" is the least of my present day concerns. The car is fine for the price and it's fine for what a prospective buyer is looking for. Whether that be "fun" or, "ohhhh, it's so pretty!"

Though, with that said, even if there is a power bump, I won't be buying another FRS. And that's only because I realize that a GT car is a better fit for me.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yep. A joint venture with Volkswagen should show up any day now. It will be a diesel I understand from my very reliable insider source.

Toyota bought 18% of Volkswagen when the stock dropped. Won't be long now.

Originally Posted by Cole

I'd buy it. Something about the way diesels sound at idle makes me get a weird feeling in my pee pee

Sometimes I sit in my driveway and wait for the DI to kick in just so I can listen to it.

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Toyota bought 18% of Volkswagen when the stock dropped. Won't be long now.

in b4 moroning.com.au news article:

"Toyota confirmed to be rumored with working with Porsche on developing new turbo boxer four engine for the next generation GT86; Porsche releasing own version of the iconic sports car as the 924"

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by brillo

If they can cure the torque dip, up the redline slightly and use stiffer bushings for the drive train to get as much power to the ground as possible they can really improve the 0-60 without materially changing the engine power output.

Exactly! This is a list of things that could fix without increasing engine power. Another thing could be to change the rear drive shaft with a thicker one. Under hard acceleration the car is not transferring currently power smoothly. Of course, all these changes would mean extra development effort and parts with a higher cost. This could increase the car's base price or not?

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Cole

Though, with that said, even if there is a power bump, I won't be buying another FRS. And that's only because I realize that a GT car is a better fit for me.

This is pretty acceptable. Different people can have different priorities or likes.