Frs as mini replacement?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Celica00

Those are two activities I'd never figure would go into the same thought. Where is this magical place that let's you have your cake and eat it, too?

Originally Posted by JCE17

Haha. St. Louis, MO! Lake during the summer for wakeboarding. Ice Hockey in the winter in STL.

Or most of Canada.

[Indydog812]

I keep forgetting the manual frs gets so much worse mpg
22/30 man vs 25/34 auto..
Wrx is 20/27
I'm considering the frs a small drop from the mini which now that I check has been down graded to 22/29. I swear it was ?/32 when I bought it. I know they've messed with the rating system some over the decades just didn't know how much... My old 92 celica is now 19/26 and was rated ?/30 I'd regularly get 32 on a tank...

Anyway somehow <30mpg hwy. seems objectionable like an fu environment

Also people forget about the Mazda speed 3 because they stopped making them in 2013.
The 2016. 2.5L 3 was very nice but it was lacking the joy of the mx5 and the mini. I have to admit the frs is great to drive but it could use more joy too. It's a bit too serious.

[Indydog812]

I think I might have to see what I can get for the mini in trade and also if they'll knock a bit off asking price so I can get some snow tires. Do you have to spend $250 on tire pressure sensors for your winter wheels?

[jawn]

Originally Posted by Indydog812

I think I might have to see what I can get for the mini in trade and also if they'll knock a bit off asking price so I can get some snow tires. Do you have to spend $250 on tire pressure sensors for your winter wheels?

Not if you don't mind the light staying on.

[yelsew]

Originally Posted by Indydog812

I keep forgetting the manual frs gets so much worse mpg
22/30 man vs 25/34 auto..

I dont like listening to those ratings, i regularly get 25 in the city and while being really aggressive, and 34 to 37 on my 3hr highway trip over the mountains in PA


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[Ashikabi]

TL;DR Subaru and Toyota make a good quality car. I have full faith in the longevity of my FRS. You'll hear a lot of complaints on this forum because that's where people talk about problems. People never post about not having any problems. Also I haven't heard of any serious issues plaguing the chassis. The crickets and window squeaks shouldn't make or break it for you IMO

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Cole

That's the coolest picture I've seen all day.

I don't get out much.

Originally Posted by jdmblood

Your dad drives a lowered mini? thats fking awesome. pics????

my dad drives a nismo 370z yet refuses to mod it.

Here's a pic of it on the ground tonight on the 16" stock wheels, forgot to snap a pic of the 18's, cool looking car. I get why people bitch that it got bigger, but c'est la vie.

Apologies for the terrible cell phone quality on the garage shot, some other shots to make up for it.

Really what I'm trying to do is convince OP to buy another Mini so that 86's stay low production.

[Indydog812]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Really what I'm trying to do is convince OP to buy another Mini so that 86's stay low production.

I did test drive a 2016 cooper s and it was good. But it was lacking in that hard to explain joy of driving factor. It didn't make me want to take the long and twisty route instead of going directly there as much as my 06 still does. The 06 still puts a smile on my face every day on my commute. Well at least when it's working properly

My test drive scale of driving joy
Highest to lowest
2016 Mx-5 (by a massive margin)
2016 Wrx
'06 cooper s
2014 Frs
2016 cooper s
2016 Mazda 3
2015 Golf (DSG auto)
2013 beetle turbo
2015 Kia Optima
2015 GTI ( hated the clutch)
2015 mustang ecoboost (looks alone make me still want one)
201? Challenger v6 auto rental (way better then expected)
2016 Impreza & Crosstrek
2013 MKZ
2015 renegade
(Assume manual unless otherwise stated.)
its a pretty tight pack between Mazda 3 and the impreza. A lot of good cars on the market now

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by Indydog812

I did test drive a 2016 cooper s and it was good. But it was lacking in that hard to explain joy of driving factor. It didn't make me want to take the long and twisty route instead of going directly there as much as my 06 still does. The 06 still puts a smile on my face every day on my commute. Well at least when it's working properly

My test drive scale of driving joy
Highest to lowest
2016 Mx-5 (by a massive margin)
2014 Frs
'06 cooper s
2016 Wrx
2016 cooper s
2016 Mazda 3
2015 Golf (DSG auto)
2013 beetle turbo
2015 Kia Optima
2015 GTI ( hated the clutch)
2015 mustang ecoboost (looks alone make me still want one)
201? Challenger v6 auto rental (way better then expected)
2016 Impreza & Crosstrek
2013 MKZ
2015 renegade
(Assume manual unless otherwise stated.)
its a pretty tight pack between Mazda 3 and the impreza. A lot of good cars on the market now

Fixed it, the wrx is a hammer the FR-S is a scalpel honed to the atom

[Indydog812]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

Fixed it, the wrx is a hammer the FR-S is a scalpel honed to the atom

agreeed but is it more FUN to dissect something with a scalpel or smash something with a hammer?

Sure the twins would be more fun on a twisty mountain road but 90% of my driving is through suburbs or on the highway where i think the wrx has the edge.

I'm not trashing the frs it's awesome but it's a bit more specialized.

Performance doesn't always equal fun and fun doesn't always equal performance

[Createddeleted]

I got rid of my R56 for a brz, I regret it almost everyday.

Maybe if the brz wasn't a daily driver.

[EAGLE5]

1. Test drive a Fiat 500 Abarth.
2. Test drive a Ford Fiesta ST.
3. The Mini has awful reliability. The FRS and BRZ are OK for the small stuff and good overall. The crickets are the main reason people complain. There were early problems with the early tunes and injector seals. That's long over. Most people running into engine failures are also running engine mods, doing track days, or running low on oil after filling at Jiffy Lube or getting improper repairs after accidents. Let's be honest: most people beat on these cars. Not so many middle-aged women driving them as commuters.

I have not driven the new Miata. I have flirted with Miatas for years, but I could never take one to bed. The FR-S and I went all the way on our first date. The GTI clutch is great. I don't know why it was bad for you. The GTI DSG deserves a try. You could always get a Golf R and have AWD. The WRX and STI sound perfect for you.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

1. Test drive a Fiat 500 Abarth.
2. Test drive a Ford Fiesta ST.

+1
Abarth is still the most fun I've ever had on public roads. Aside from reliability (which I don't think should be that bad, fiat gets low scores but the Abarth should be separate and it isn't, its been on the roads since 2009 almost unchanged, issues should have solutions by now) it will be slightly more practical than an 86 and get noticeably better fuel economy, if you can keep your foot out of it.

Only heard good things about the FiST but not a fan of the interior.

[Indydog812]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

+1
Abarth is still the most fun I've ever had on public roads. Aside from reliability (which I don't think should be that bad, fiat gets low scores but the Abarth should be separate and it isn't, its been on the roads since 2009 almost unchanged, issues should have solutions by now) it will be slightly more practical than an 86 and get noticeably better fuel economy, if you can keep your foot out of it.

Only heard good things about the FiST but not a fan of the interior.

So I figured my 2006 mini had been in production since 2002. They've worked out all the issues. Boy was I wrong. they did put some band aids fixes on a few issues but BMW/MINI ignored or denied most of the major issues.
I might just have to check out the abarth but i suspect it's a sideways move at best for reliability. I asked a fiat dealer about reliability a couple years ago. His reply :"they're Chryslers so they're cheap to fix"


The fiestaSt interior makes me sad. I couldn't look at that every day. I'm not sure I trust ford reliability either. After endless repairs my boss got his entire focus ST replaced under warranty due to a misfiring issue. Now same issue is showing up in the replacement car. Not so sure about the ecoboost engines. Although he does drive like a crazed 16yr old so maybe he's the issue. my boss and another coworker were comparing their focus ST's. One had ST trim on two doors one had it on 3 doors. Hope the factory was more diligent putting the drivetrain together.