Engine swap or not what would be the best amount of hp for the 86?

[fang_gt86]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Driven Z06, not even 1 sec I thought it was "FUN". It was fckin' scary!

It becomes pointless when you spend too much time worry about other things besides actually driving. Or when the only way to have fun is breaking the laws with triple digits and the backend wants to go first. lol

[Summerwolf]

I mean the Z06 had more power than necessary to drive normally and it liked to go....but they are completely civilized cruising at 1100 rpm at 70.


Backend wants to go first? No.... a completely balanced vehicle with wide tires and enough stability nannies that anyone could drive the car. If you turn everything off and don't know what you are doing they can get you in trouble, but.... If you want to drive a corvette civilized it is EASY. They can also get 28-30 MPG reliably if you just set the cruise and go.

[LOLS2K]

Can enjoy a Vette on the track just as much as an 86 on the track...

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I mean the Z06 had more power than necessary to drive normally and it liked to go....but they are completely civilized cruising at 1100 rpm at 70.


Backend wants to go first? No.... a completely balanced vehicle with wide tires and enough stability nannies that anyone could drive the car. If you turn everything off and don't know what you are doing they can get you in trouble, but.... If you want to drive a corvette civilized it is EASY. They can also get 28-30 MPG reliably if you just set the cruise and go.

One of local autoxer let me race his Z06. When you're racing for time, Z06 like to eat you alive. Even with Hoosier tires... but it was a good experience for sure. Power was crazy... but felt more like ridiculous tq more. That's something cannot get from 2 liter 4 cylinders engine (even with FI).

[Cedars]

Originally Posted by jawn

Another 200WHP would put it into Corvette power/weight territory, which means you should've bought a Corvette. Corvettes are fun. 86s are also fun. It's just the type of fun that doesn't lead me to buy thousands of dollars worth of tires every year, which was most of the appeal for me.

Or fuel

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Shutter

prius swap, for the torque

Ignoring the prius part, I feel that even if they left the horsepower at 200bhp, and somehow managed to bump up and flatten the torque a lot of these power complaints would go away.

Hell, my boat (Fusion) with the 2.0 Ecoboost FEELS a lot faster than my BRZ did, because its torque-y as hell until about 5000RPM... After that the turbo tops out and it falls on its face, but that's off topic.

I dunno how they'd accomplish this though. Maybe make an FA25? Because we know it'll never be turbocharged.

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[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Ignoring the prius part, I feel that even if they left the horsepower at 200bhp, and somehow managed to bump up and flatten the torque a lot of these power complaints would go away.

Hell, my boat (Fusion) with the 2.0 Ecoboost FEELS a lot faster than my BRZ did, because its torque-y as hell until about 5000RPM... After that the turbo tops out and it falls on its face, but that's off topic.

I dunno how they'd accomplish this though. Maybe make an FA25? Because we know it'll never be turbocharged.

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tq dip is one of trait of boxer engine. Even Porsche's boxer engine have this tq dip.

[Cedars]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

tq dip is one of trait of boxer engine. Even Porsche's boxer engine have this tq dip.

I'm really not noticing a dip, maybe on a manual it's not so evident because you have a bit more control. Regarding corvettes I'm sure they are an amazing ride but their re sale value is terrible while the gt86 has a very good one, but from what I'm gathering here re sale or fuel economy doesn't come into the equation.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Cedars

I'm really not noticing a dip, maybe on a manual it's not so evident because you have a bit more control. Regarding corvettes I'm sure they are an amazing ride but their re sale value is terrible while the gt86 has a very good one, but from what I'm gathering here re sale or fuel economy doesn't come into the equation.

Some ppl notice more bout TQ dip more than others. For me, daily, idc much. When it comes to Autox & track, TQ dip is very noticeable (but still don't care too much).

As for vette, I'm not sure on resale, I feel most muscle cars go through same kind of resale.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Cedars

I'm really not noticing a dip, maybe on a manual it's not so evident because you have a bit more control. Regarding corvettes I'm sure they are an amazing ride but their re sale value is terrible while the gt86 has a very good one, but from what I'm gathering here re sale or fuel economy doesn't come into the equation.

Not sure what resale you are talking about....clean vettes always demand a premium......Fuel economy should NEVER come in to the equation with a toy.


The 86 resale hasn't had enough time to determine. High teens low 20's generally but you never see many with miles. They're still too new to see a large drop IMO.

[Cedars]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Not sure what resale you are talking about....clean vettes always demand a premium......Fuel economy should NEVER come in to the equation with a toy.


The 86 resale hasn't had enough time to determine. High teens low 20's generally but you never see many with miles. They're still too new to see a large drop IMO.

Probably in the states American cars retain their value better than they do in the gulf, here if you compare their depreciation to Japanese cars there is a big difference. Their parts are also more expensive and seem to be more prone to needing repairs than Jap cars. The best cars for retaining value here are :
1. Toyota
2. Nissan

German cars, British cars, American cars depreciate at a much faster pace. French cars have the highest depreciation.

[Summerwolf]

Maybe, that's interesting. I would think that after importing something it would retain some of its value. Here generic Nissans plummet, I think its actually the worst resale Japanese make! Edmunds say Nissans lose 46% of value after one year. I'm sure the 370 and GTR are exceptions....


Subaru and Lexus are the top resale vehicles.

[Justin.b]

Corvettes hold their value here pretty well. They seem to drop until they're two generations old and then either plateau or rise in some cases. I would be surprised if the twins held the same value long term.

I've driven fast cars, I just don't have anywhere to use one with regularity. If there are open roads they're usually residential and you're not by yourself for very long. We also have a lot of cops.

When I say the FR-S doesn't need more power, I mean it doesn't need more power for the way I use it. I'd say the same about my Miata which has even less power.

If I had some wider and longer stretches of empty pavement available I may be singing another tune.

-Justin

[Braces]

You get what you paid for. For 25K ... you get 200hp. If you wanted 300hp ... then you pay more for a different car. For 200-300K you can buy a Huracan or Ferrari 488 with over 600 hp.

Yes ... the 86 would offer a "different" level of excitement at 250-300 hp, but would most here pay for it? At the end of the day ... the 86 is an entry level economically equipped sportscar that handles really well.

It is what it is and it isn't what it isn't. (sounds like something the late Yogi Berra might have said).