Engine swap or not what would be the best amount of hp for the 86?

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by Packofcrows

215WHP would be enough for the twins for DD. 250WHP would be enough for 'fast n furious.'

Over 300whp is not really IMO something the twins need. Only way I see over 275whp is with a bigger engine. There's no replacement for displacement.

Concerning torque 250 torque would be perfect for this weight. Similar to STI, but a tad less.

I don't know about that, peak whp I must be very close (when I'm not jumping curbs, breaking rims and unhooking my front bumper) with my KW c38, full bolt-ons on 94 octane and 550 injectors. I'll have to dyno it once I get it out of the body shop and take it to a 1/4 mile to see where my whp actually stack up but I do have enough top end power to spin myself silly on 3rd/4th gear (ask me how I know)

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

Let me guess you're... let's say.... under the age of 22?

The questions you've repeatedly asked have that sort of caliber of immaturity other people our age don't behave like this and you kinda make everyone hate our generation of gearheads. You haven't even told us what mods you currently have or what the end all goal of the car is, from what I see you've got buddy club tail lights, win jet headlights, JDM sidemarkers, and and an aftermarket hood. You've done enough research to know they look relatively good on your car, why can't you do more research without such an ambiguous thread?

What kind of track experience do you have? If you want better times focus on a driver mod and wheels tires and brakes first but with input from an instructor.....

That's my next upgrade lol.


In all honesty I am a pretty decent driver but this is the first time I've owned anything with more than 250hp (sc'd brz), and I just tend to forget how much more power I have under my foot at all times (WOT can now be a dangerous thing for me whereas it wasn't at all with my previous cars, WOT just meant go a bit faster, now it means you may start spinning tire in 4th on a straight line if you go from little throttle to WOT instantly)

[murdoc]

"it will never have enough power until I can spin the wheels at the end of the straightaway in high gear." -Mark Donohue

[Summerwolf]

I am slowly coming to the realization 80% of this board has never driven anything remotely fast....and that this is the fastest car they have owned.


The car is great. The car handles exceptionally well. It isn't perfect from the factory and many people beg for more power. It is a nice car....but it is far from uncontrollable or breath taking. The car begs for another 200 WHP, then it would be FUN car.

[jawn]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I am slowly coming to the realization 80% of this board has never driven anything remotely fast....and that this is the fastest car they have owned.


The car is great. The car handles exceptionally well. It isn't perfect from the factory and many people beg for more power. It is a nice car....but it is far from uncontrollable or breath taking. The car begs for another 200 WHP, then it would be FUN car.

Another 200WHP would put it into Corvette power/weight territory, which means you should've bought a Corvette. Corvettes are fun. 86s are also fun. It's just the type of fun that doesn't lead me to buy thousands of dollars worth of tires every year, which was most of the appeal for me.

[Scir16v]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

That's the first time I have ever read that the 350Z had "too much power."

for tight twisty backroads, yes. The power came on heavy and would light the rears up at almost any chance. I had achilles art sports all the way around.

[ichitaka05]

Wow this thread still going? Too lazy to read detail, but Tcoat stated well.

Does it really matter how much power you have? Power is one of equation on this car formula. Other stuff is more important than "power". You can have 600whp FRS and still be well balanced or better balanced car than stock. You can have stock power, but shaved the weight til 2,100lbs. "Feels" like you got more power, but it just have less weight for engine to move.

Bob Hall once stated:
"It's not about power. If you can't go fast with 90 horsepower, 900 ain't gonna help ya. I genuinely feel that."

I gotta agree with him.

BUT if you just want the number game, then sky is the limit... correction, wallet is the limit.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by jawn

Another 200WHP would put it into Corvette power/weight territory, which means you should've bought a Corvette. Corvettes are fun. 86s are also fun. It's just the type of fun that doesn't lead me to buy thousands of dollars worth of tires every year, which was most of the appeal for me.

Corvettes are FUN. 86's are fun..... big difference.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Corvettes are FUN. 86's are fun..... big difference.

Driven Z06, not even 1 sec I thought it was "FUN". It was fckin' scary!

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by jawn

Another 200WHP would put it into Corvette power/weight territory, which means you should've bought a Corvette. Corvettes are fun. 86s are also fun. It's just the type of fun that doesn't lead me to buy thousands of dollars worth of tires every year, which was most of the appeal for me.

C5 Corvettes less than the price of a brand new 86, 345hp, 350 ft-lbs, <5s 0-60, and that's for the base model. Z06's are still cheaper than BRZ's looking at my local craigslist for 385hp & ft-lbs. Yeah a little chubby at 3,200+ lbs but everything in the car was built to handle that kind of power, no shopping for wheels/tires, injectors, radiators, worrying about the transmission, driveshafts, clutch, or overall engine longevity because you're stretching what the factory designed it for, all things known to be issues with high horsepower 86's.

Originally Posted by murdoc

"it will never have enough power until I can spin the wheels at the end of the straightaway in high gear." -Mark Donohue

Great book, just finished reading it, fits the thread perfectly. And for those who don't know, he was discussing the Porsche 917 with the Porsche engineers which some claims place at 1,000-1,500+ horsepower. I can't even fathom that, let alone on 1970's tires. Thing was at or better than 1/2 hp/lb at certain points, and we're playing with 1/14...

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Corvettes are FUN. 86's are fun..... big difference.

So any regrets settling for 'fun' instead of 'FUN'?

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Scir16v

for tight twisty backroads, yes. The power came on heavy and would light the rears up at almost any chance. I had achilles art sports all the way around.

Achilles ATR sport and throttle input seems the culprit.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

C5 Corvettes less than the price of a brand new 86, 345hp, 350 ft-lbs, <5s 0-60, and that's for the base model. Z06's are still cheaper than BRZ's looking at my local craigslist for 385hp & ft-lbs. Yeah a little chubby at 3,200+ lbs but everything in the car was built to handle that kind of power, no shopping for wheels/tires, injectors, radiators, worrying about the transmission, driveshafts, clutch, or overall engine longevity because you're stretching what the factory designed it for, all things known to be issues with high horsepower 86's.



Great book, just finished reading it, fits the thread perfectly. And for those who don't know, he was discussing the Porsche 917 with the Porsche engineers which some claims place at 1,000-1,500+ horsepower. I can't even fathom that, let alone on 1970's tires. Thing was at or better than 1/2 hp/lb at certain points, and we're playing with 1/14...



So any regrets settling for 'fun' instead of 'FUN'?

I had a Z06, and built three other LSx platforms. I wanted to try something different. Once I put the edelbrock SC and get CCW's I'll be happy.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

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When I added tires I noticed I could take a corner I was doing at 55 previously now 60. This is just casual street driving on a exit ramp.

Add in camber, track tires, etc. You can gain a lot of improvement.

Small anecdote, was tracking with another member and we we running basically identical. I had camber bolts (alignment), wheels/tires, and AP sprint kit. He had header/tune and tires. Which is the better car? better driver? who had more fun? Impossible to say.

There are a million paths you can take. And that is what makes this car great. All of those options and someone makes a part for all of them.

OP, just make the most informed decision you can based on what you feel and want. Numbers on paper are never going to come close to being able to describe any vehicle you own.

The only thing I'm going to say to your comment (not that I disagree with it, but it is somewhat anecdotal), was it the mod that actually did the performance improvement, or did the mod just give you the balls to do it?

[continuecrushing]

prius swap, for the torque