2017 FR-S to get Electric Turbo?

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I would not for one second, object to a factory electric supercharger (not sure turbo is the right term). The key word there being factory. If they can come up with something effective, light and reliable then who cares how it is powered? So far some of the aftermarket ones have proven that the method works and let's be totally realistic here they are never, ever going to turn this into a 300+hp car no matter how much people think it needs to be.

I would care.... lol. I think a lot of enthusiasts would pass it up due to that.


Although a lot of people pass it up because of it being slow too.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I would care.... lol. I think a lot of enthusiasts would pass it up due to that.


Although a lot of people pass it up because of it being slow too.

Why? (not arguing just curious)

[Summerwolf]

Lots of reasons. New(er) technology. Doesn't have a long history and some of the track record is spotty (charge running out, wiring, extra batteries) and preference. To me the electric stuff is a gimmick. Its come a long way since its original inception (efan in the intake tube) but lets be real.... a true turbo or a true supercharger will always have familiarity and credibility. Any electric option won't for many more years.


Plus the whole "running out of charge" thing mid run doesn't seem appealing. There are ways to combat it, but not without extra batteries from what I have seen.


Heat soak is a similar issue in many FI options, but we know how to work around / combat that for the most part.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Lots of reasons. New(er) technology. Doesn't have a long history and some of the track record is spotty (charge running out, wiring, extra batteries) and preference. To me the electric stuff is a gimmick. Its come a long way since its original inception (efan in the intake tube) but lets be real.... a true turbo or a true supercharger will always have familiarity and credibility. Any electric option won't for many more years.


Plus the whole "running out of charge" thing mid run doesn't seem appealing. There are ways to combat it, but not without extra batteries from what I have seen.


Heat soak is a similar issue in many FI options, but we know how to work around / combat that for the most part.

Those are all aftermarket and development issues. That is why I said that I would want a factory one where those things should be fixed up. I do agree though that for track use where you are on it more often it would not be ideal.

As I said earlier in this thread I am not anti new tech and remember when everybody was afraid of syncroed trannys, fuel injection and disc brakes and called them all gimmicks so this is just another step in tech development from my perspective.

[Summerwolf]

Sure, I get that and you're right. Maybe it will become commonplace, I just don't see it yet. I just think I would avoid any kind of Electric FI for many more years.




I mean we have factory 86 cars now and they have issues with rocker arms, crickets, DI seals, noisy windows etc.... so I wouldn't have much faith in an electric FI from the factory either.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I mean we have factory 86 cars now and they have issues with rocker arms, crickets, DI seals, noisy windows etc.... so I wouldn't have much faith in an electric FI from the factory either.

Could have just as many issues with a traditional FI system if you throw all the other things in the mix.

[Summerwolf]

All cars suck.

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I would not for one second, object to a factory electric supercharger (not sure turbo is the right term). The key word there being factory. If they can come up with something effective, light and reliable then who cares how it is powered? So far some of the aftermarket ones have proven that the method works and let's be totally realistic here they are never, ever going to turn this into a 300+hp car no matter how much people think it needs to be.

Believe they are called e-charger as in electric supercharger but I could be wrong, although I do remember seeing e-charger and electric supercharger used a bunch.

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I would care.... lol. I think a lot of enthusiasts would pass it up due to that.


Although a lot of people pass it up because of it being slow too.

No, no they don't because those people complaining about being to slow are either expecting the car to be something is not (straight line speed vs agility); would be the same ones that complain about the price hike/it being too expensive if it came factory FI and most I have talked to have not even driven the car once.

(from personal experience goes like this- bob: This car is too slow;
me: have you driven a stock one?;
bob: no but I heard they are too slow and looking at the spec sheet they seem slow;
me: well bob to me you look slow but I can't judge because that would be an unfair assessment);

Go in the Canada regional forums, go look up slick's results in various events and come back and tell me the car is too slow. here's one link: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94464
See how he regularly comes in front of things like a M4, Porsche 4s, STi, GTR. Tell me again how slow the car is. Might be slower in a straight line but roads have curves where we are fast and they are slow so it's all a matter of focus, fast in straight line or fast in curves.

[stevesnj]

I see it as a TRD add on. A TRD add on option would allow someone looking for a low cost sports car and Toyota able to keep that pricing draw. Making it available seperate seems more realistic than factory standard or option.

[drewbot]

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[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by fumanchu1

Go in the Canada regional forums, go look up slick's results in various events and come back and tell me the car is too slow. here's one link: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94464
See how he regularly comes in front of things like a M4, Porsche 4s, STi, GTR. Tell me again how slow the car is. Might be slower in a straight line but roads have curves where we are fast and they are slow so it's all a matter of focus, fast in straight line or fast in curves.

I don't have to go in to any regional forum. The car in general is a low to mid 14 second car in the 1/4 mile. It performs well on roads with curves but it isn't by any stretch of the imagination a "fast" car.

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I don't have to go in to any regional forum. The car in general is a low to mid 14 second car in the 1/4 mile. It performs well on roads with curves but it isn't by any stretch of the imagination a "fast" car.

that depends what you qualify/define as fast, I see it as lapping a better time than another car on a track (which the FRS does countless times again and again vs other more powerful cars). If you define being fast as only getting to a certain speed in a straight line than yes the FRS/BRZ are not fast but if you view fast as a measure of time compared to another (ie lap time) then yes the frs is fast and if you disagree then you can call all the cars that get beaten by it slow as shit. (all about perception really, I don't define what fast is by 1/4 mile times but by how fast you can lap a track, If all you care about is straight line speed and 1/4 mile times then any car is slow as fuck compared to modded bikes, funny cars and electric dragsters.

Not trying to bash or anything just stating the different views one can have about a term (I see what you call fast as quick(I get they are synonyms depending on the definition used), he can get to 100mph quickly but is not fast as he cannot maintain speed in the corners slowing his laps considerably slower/not as fast around the track as the less quick but more agile vehicle)

[Summerwolf]

I guess my definitions of quick and fast differ greatly than most on this forums. I'm fine with that. I didn't buy it for its straight line speed, its a fun car. Just needs more power, lol.