Hydrogen or Electric Ft-86

[bcj]

Zero emissions is an oxymoron. I can't get behind it at all.
Electricity gets generated somewhere.
Losses in creation and transmission.
By the time you get to where you're going, you'll have polluted more than by going there with gas.



Hydrogen takes immense amounts of electricity to create and compress.
Own goal before you start.

heh. pet products?

[HachiEnam]

Originally Posted by bcj

Zero emissions is an oxymoron. I can't get behind it at all.
Electricity gets generated somewhere.
Losses in creation and transmission.
By the time you get to where you're going, you'll have polluted more than by going there with gas.



Hydrogen takes immense amounts of electricity to create and compress.
Own goal before you start.

I agree, we are pretty much moving pollution from a nonpoint source to a point source. The thing is, I believe it is easier to regulate emissions at point source locations. Nonetheless, this is assuming were rolling coal for electricity.

We could use solar/fluid/nuclear power sources to create electricity.

Nonetheless, I believe hydrogen is "greener" than electric cars because it doesn't require the rare earth metals the batteries in electric cars require.

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by HachiEnam

Pretty sure we're already doing that

Exactly my point.

[SVTSHC]

My question, legitimate question is what's the real problem with putting hydrogen fuel cell vehicles on the road en-mass. As in where is most of the expense? This is a legitimate question.

Is it in the actual vehicles themselves or the complete and total lack of sufficient infrastructure?

[jvincent]

I'd say it's both right now.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by HachiEnam

The car will retain its handling characteristic,

That is about as far from the truth as you can possibly be with regards to handling characteristics of the FT-86 platform.

-alex

[HachiEnam]

Originally Posted by mav1178

That is about as far from the truth as you can possibly be with regards to handling characteristics of the FT-86 platform.

-alex

We're speaking theoretically!!

[HachiEnam]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

My question, legitimate question is what's the real problem with putting hydrogen fuel cell vehicles on the road en-mass. As in where is most of the expense? This is a legitimate question.

Is it in the actual vehicles themselves or the complete and total lack of sufficient infrastructure?

A lot of people are worried about safety, mostly because hydrogen is highly explosive. Even if it is contained with the required safety measures, it is still a bit terrifying. You can argue that gasoline is explosive too but if a fuel tank was to explode it would combust away from the passengers where as the fuel cells are located under the car.

Also all the hype for hydrogen cars are fading away because of the success by Teslas. This might not be true for other states/countries but I'm from California and Teslas are everywhere

[stugray]

A couple things -
Battery Denisty - IF someone invented a battery with the same energy density as gasoline, do you think the government would let the masses have them? - NO.
A laptop Li-Ion battery already carries enough punch to bring down an aircraft (if you know how).
Do you think they want the ability to carry the explosive power of an entire tank of gasoline in a package the size of a soda can? - no.
SO even if it HAS been invented, Joe Public wouldn't know about it.


Has anyone seen the announcement from Lockheed about the Fusion power plant that they believe will be commercially viable in 5 years?
The technology was invented by Dr Farnsworth (inventor of the cathode ray tube).
Dr Bussard (of the Bussard Ramjet SciFi fame) advanced the concept and Lockheed claims to have crossed the breakeven point.
Now making it viable is "all in the engineering".


If interested, google "Fuzor" or check this:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhL5VO2NStU"]Should Google Go Nuclear? Clean, cheap, nuclear power... - YouTube[/ame]
for a lecture b Dr Bussard before he passed away.
Oh, and it runs on hydrogen too! Just the Deuterium kind...:-)

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by stugray

that they believe will be commercially viable in 5 years?

Conjecture.