*Another* JRSC review in combination with a full exhaust, daily driver

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by M_F

Definitely not a troll. =)

It is just a misrepresentation of the Cosworth kit with respect to the track day comment. Due to the limited amount in the US, I would have to assume you have not actually seen one at the track. The cooler arrangement and charger were selected to not have issues no matter what is thrown at them. That is all I am trying to convey. Misinformation is bad overall.

Have you seen one at the track?

All that chart tells me is that it doesn't get super hot in one pull; I don't think any kit does. It says nothing about extended use.

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by Jaden

My E85 frs hangs with a wrx...

wrx is heavier and only makes 268 bhp... a 270 whp twin will walk it all day and all night...an sti only makes 305 bhp...

Jaden

okay so are you suggesting that your E85 FRS is CARB legal? if not how is is related to the topic? it seems like nobody reads anything these days

E85 and supporting mods adds about 100hp on top of the CARB tuned car that already makes 260-270whp (365whp vs 260 whp).. that's roughly 37-38% more than what the CARB tuned car does.. sooo..

It would be a shame if it couldn't walk away from a 250 AWHP stock STI

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by Jaden

dynos don't tell shit about real world especially comparing two cars that are 700 lbs difference...

so yeah maybe you should stop believing what makes you feel better.

Jaden

oh boy,

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by glamcem

okay so are you suggesting that your E85 FRS is CARB legal? if not how is is related to the topic? it seems like nobody reads anything these days

E85 and supporting mods adds about 100hp on top of the CARB tuned car that already makes 260-270whp (365whp vs 260 whp).. that's roughly 37-38% more than what the CARB tuned car does.. sooo..

It would be a shame if it couldn't walk away from a 250 AWHP stock STI

I'm n/a... I'm making about 230bhp compared to 268bhp for a wrx. Which with the weight difference makes them about even on paper...

I'm talking about not on paper though...

Same thing with an A4 and a GTI....

Jaden

And as far as carb, there is no one that could EVER write me up for ANYTHING with my car tuned the way it is right now. It looks bone stock except for the cat back, which I've already had certified as carb compliant.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by glamcem

oh boy,

What part was hard to understand for you?

a) That comparing raw dyno'd hp between cars that are 7-800 lbs different isn't good for anything?

b) That dyno'd hp doesn't always equate to real world performance?

or that you thinking that a 270whp car that weighs 700lbs less than a 268 bhp car shouldn't be able to walk it because DYNO, is utterly laughable????

Jaden

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by Jaden

I'm n/a... I'm making about 230bhp compared to 268bhp for a wrx. Which with the weight difference makes them about even on paper...

I'm talking about not on paper though...

Same thing with an A4 and a GTI....

Jaden

And as far as carb, there is no one that could EVER write me up for ANYTHING with my car tuned the way it is right now. It looks bone stock except for the cat back, which I've already had certified as carb compliant.

ok I was under the impression that you had an E85 JRSC kit since you didn't mention that important detail and wrote this in FI section

if that's the case I can clearly say there's no way you can keep up with a stock WRX from roll the weight difference alone (about 500 lbs not 700lbs, 2700lbs vs 3200lbs) is not enough to make up for the difference, by the time you reach that 230 bhp WRX will already be way ahead of you because of the huge TQ advantage

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by Jaden

What part was hard to understand for you?

a) That comparing raw dyno'd hp between cars that are 7-800 lbs different isn't good for anything?

b) That dyno'd hp doesn't always equate to real world performance?

or that you thinking that a 270whp car that weighs 700lbs less than a 268 bhp car shouldn't be able to walk it because DYNO, is utterly laughable????

Jaden

piece of advice, using titles named like "ummm" "what" "are you smoking crack???" won't make your posts more credible, it will only make them silly

there is no part on any of your posts hard to understand for me but it looks like there are multiple posts about the topic was hard to follow for you or you just didn't bother reading them up..

you should ask yourself this question : "Am I really trying to learn something new today or Am I simply trying to win a debate?" if the answer is the first part, please do read all the posts and come back and ask your questions again

if you bring something new to the table that we don't know of I am happy to read and change my views accordingly, until then please keep the things I mentioned above

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by glamcem

ok I was under the impression that you had an E85 JRSC kit since you didn't mention that important detail and wrote this in FI section

if that's the case I can clearly say there's no way you can keep up with a stock WRX from roll the weight difference alone (about 500 lbs not 700lbs, 2700lbs vs 3200lbs) is not enough to make up for the difference, by the time you reach that 230 bhp WRX will already be way ahead of you because of the huge TQ advantage

What about the REAL WORLD part of that did you NOT understand...

This is not fanciful daydreaming while glancing at dyno charts... This is actually running against them in the REAL WORLD...

Jaden

and 2758-2806lbs versus 3267-3450 so you're looking at as little as 461lbs or as much as 692 lbs difference. for an average difference of 577 and yes it is enough to make up a 35hp difference...obviously because it WAS enough, again, in the real world.

Also, it's pretty obvious that it's not ME who needs to be learning something.. I wasn't the one who said that a 270 WHEEL hp car weighing between 500 and 700 lbs less than a car that makes 234 Wheel hp couldn't walk said car. The STI only makes about 255 WHP and wouldn't stand a chance either.

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by Jaden

What about the REAL WORLD part of that did you NOT understand...

This is not fanciful daydreaming while glancing at dyno charts... This is actually running against them in the REAL WORLD...

Jaden

Like I said please do read the entire thread from the beginning and come back and ask your question again, if you still cannot find the answer I will be happy to answer for you why the REAL WORLD experience will differ

let's forget about the REAL WORLD conditions (healthier hp due to OEM power, less heat, better matched gear) for a second and concentrate on the" dyno queens " for a second do you actually believe that 500 lbs is enough to make up for the TQ difference down low.. I did my best to include an NA E85 dyno plot with green line in the below dyno comparison ... notice that huge TQ difference in blue and green lines and you'll understand why .. if you still think that it should keep up with an WRX slowly drop the crack pipe you were referring to

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by glamcem

Like I said please do read the entire thread from the beginning and come back and ask your question again, if you still cannot find the answer I will be happy to answer for you why the REAL WORLD experience will differ

let's forget about the REAL WORLD conditions (healthier hp due to OEM power, less heat, better matched gear) for a second and concentrate on the" dyno queens " for a second do you actually believe that 500 lbs is enough to make up for the TQ difference down low.. I did my best to include an NA E85 dyno plot with green line in the below dyno comparison ... notice that huge TQ difference in blue and green lines and you'll understand why .. if you still think that it should keep up with an WRX slowly drop the crack pipe you were referring to

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Were you NOT the one who said from a ROLL????

I can quote you if you'd like? That low down torque ain't gonna mean shit from a roll where you can down shift to be in whatever rpm range you want.

Jaden

[glamcem]

keep in mind Turbo BRZ had the head start here

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[glamcem]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Were you NOT the one who said from a ROLL????

I can quote you if you'd like? That low down torque ain't gonna mean shit from a roll where you can down shift to be in whatever rpm range you want.

Jaden

no, I didn't bring these claims to begin with, I just found them a bit more unrealistic and tried to explain a few things..
no matter what you do, you won't be able to make up that TQ difference even if you downshift ( I don't know what that means from a roll-race) because the higher you start in the power band sooner you should shift to the next gear ..and as soon as you shift up to next gear a WRX will start pulling away from you so hard and say buh-bye..

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by glamcem

keep in mind Turbo BRZ had the head start here

Really, and you know the owners of both cars and know what has been done to the EVO?

Not to mention, this is not from a roll. This is standing quarter mile.

The EVO is AWD and has a much quicker 60ft as you can tell by the twin with a higher trap speed in the second race.

There's really no reason to even continue debating as you don't have a clue what the hell you are talking about.

Jaden

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by glamcem

no, I didn't bring these claims to begin with, I just found them a bit more unrealistic and tried to explain a few things..
no matter what you do, you won't be able to make up that TQ difference even if you downshift ( I don't know what that means from a roll-race) because the higher you start in the power band sooner you should shift to the next gear ..and as soon as you shift up to next gear a WRX will start pulling away from you so hard and say buh-bye..

You may want to tell that to the WRX driver who probably thought that on the freeway against me...

Also, just like CSG Mike said, you are incapable of not jumping around aren't you?

We were talking about a stock WRX versus a JRSC twin, and you post a video of an EVO (that could be a stage III) versus a Turbo twin that for all you know was running 5lbs of boost...

Jaden

You attempting to debate me is like a one legged man attempting to run the 50yd dash against usain bolt.