Buy 2008 Boxster S or 2014 BRZ limited?

[220volt]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

As has been stated repeatedly there are two elephants in the room that most Toyobaru owners considered to be insurmountable when comparing an 86 to a Boxster or Cayman:

Cost of... well everything, parts, wear items, insurance etc.
Practicality

Neither car will do you wrong if you treat it right. Of course the Porsche has considerable pros from build quality to outright speed and being an older car most, if not all, of the bugs are known (who knows what the FA20 looks like at 120k miles?).

Either the Porsche blows you away when you sit behind the wheel and you have to have one or you go 'meh' and would rather beat the hell out of the 86 with less worry.

Yeah my thoughts too. So have the twins been that reliable so far?

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by 220volt

Yeah my thoughts too. So have the twins been that reliable so far?

For the most part yes, especially if you have one built mid-2013 or newer.

My car is relatively early build late 2012, 4 track days (doing my fifth next month), ~12 AutoX days, 40k miles and only one failed part (coilpack $100, about an hour to replace tops with a 10 and 12 mm socket or wrench).

Like I said, we don't know what the engines will look like at 120k miles, maybe they all pop by 100k unless you baby it, but so far they seem rock solid up through 60k miles of hard driving at the bare minimum. Read through the "what do you hate about your car" thread and if that doesn't deter you (some severely sensitive people in there) then you'll love the Subie. The issues section should be taken with a grain of salt, like I said no pervasive reliability issues in the recent cars to my knowledge.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8629

Hopefully if there's any serious problems for the car as it ages you're far enough behind the people who bought within the first year that you'll have plenty of warning that you have a time bomb.

[Stewie]

Look at the cost of replacing the ragtop or the cost to fix the convertible hardware if anything goes wrong. I owned German cars for 14 yrs prior to my brz. Haven't looked back.

[cwpbrz-ji]

I was on my way to purchase a “Racing Yellow, Cayman”, saw a CWP BRZ Limited, and am now a ‘very happy’ member of this list.

[220volt]

Boxster won't be in until next Friday. Damn, too long of a wait. Hopefully BRZ I was looking at doesn't sell. I doubt it will. It has been sitting there for at least three months.

[donoman]

Originally Posted by evomike

what facts do you have to backup the boxster being less reliable?

Google it.

[donoman]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Not "all of us" would pick faster.
I could easily have had the Boxster but like I said above, as a DD I only drive the FRS at 60% of it's capacity most of the time so no need having a Boxster to drive at 40%.
Anybody that is driving a FRS/BRZ at 100% of it's capacity all the time, on the streets, is gonna end up in jail or dead. This is why I can never grasp the whole non tracked, street only, DD, need for "more speed". Where do you guys get to drive the car on the streets that you need to go faster than stock or lightly modded can go? Oh, and nobody give me that "I can't pass a minivan" shit.
Now if I was looking for a track car...

I daily drive my FR-S and find that it has plenty of power for that. However, I don't think it's a particularly forgiving motor/transmission for DD. In particular the gearing is weird and the torque dip definitely doesn't help.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by donoman

I daily drive my FR-S and find that it has plenty of power for that. However, I don't think it's a particularly forgiving motor/transmission for DD. In particular the gearing is weird and the torque dip definitely doesn't help.

I have got so used to it that I am pretty sure that anything else will feel weird to me now.

[evomike]

Originally Posted by donoman

Google it.

google what the basis that you have zero facts to back up your claim.

[donoman]

Originally Posted by evomike

google what the basis that you have zero facts to back up your claim.

I think that a brand new Japanese car is more reliable than a 7 year old German car, but I'll admit that I could be wrong. In my experience, however, Japanese cars keep on going but German cars constantly have little issues as they age.

Anyway, I hope you're right that Porsche's are more reliable. But I doubt it.

[evomike]

Originally Posted by donoman

I think that a brand new Japanese car is more reliable than a 7 year old German car, but I'll admit that I could be wrong. In my experience, however, Japanese cars keep on going but German cars constantly have little issues as they age.

Anyway, I hope you're right that Porsche's are more reliable. But I doubt it.

you do realize there are a bunch of people including myself with really crappy frs' with tons of problems right

[donoman]

Originally Posted by evomike

you do realize there are a bunch of people including myself with really crappy frs' with tons of problems right

I'm sorry to hear that... maybe you should buy a Porsche

[Fastbrew]

Two different rides.

I got a BRZ with the intention of playing out a fast and furious fantasy which I am smack in the middle of. I have 50+ whp over a stock Caymen S + 20lb/ft torque and I am 250 pounds lighter running E85/Flex. It is a blast. Not a single problem with the car. I have been running it boosted for 12K miles. It is an awesome DD as well. Plus - I can carry a set of tires around in the back. Or some cramped in passengers. I upgraded the interior with a few alcantara touches to take a little bit of the plastic cheese off and add some comfort around the knees and it is now a car that I love and has my personal touches everywhere. Around 40 of them.

Of course, the stock twins are a hoot on the track but you will curse every time a Porsche goes by . With some TLC - you get the enjoyment of watching the faces of people as you go by their Porsche in an econobox.

Both are excellent choices. Ultimately, it's up to everyone to make up their own mind.

I would love to have a Caymen S as well. A mid engine car handles differently. If you love light cars with whippy tails, lots of power potential, a whiff of mystery and infinite upgrade paths - go with a twin.

If you want smooth, predictable, out-of-the-box Porsche style engineering - go Porsche.

More simply - you will never be sorry you are in a Porsche when you get passed by the occasional BRZ but you might be bummed every time you see a Porsche go by if you are lusting after one.

Good luck and have fun.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by evomike

you do realize there are a bunch of people including myself with really crappy frs' with tons of problems right

Did you ever get your dash and windows fixed?