Any Issues with Royal Purple?

[endless_pain]

Originally Posted by bluesubie

According to this if you have an oil that uses primarily group IV and V base stocks, with a small amount of Group III base stocks, then it is not "Full Synthetic".

The only thing that I asked you to do is show me where you found these guidelines and your reply was that it's all over the internet. Sort of senseless to debate this though as someone above that used to work in the industry stated the great debate over "synthetic" vs "full synthetic" is dead anyway.

This same sentiment can be seen in posts from other oil blenders at bitog as well as an oil blender that used to post in this forum. And unless you are an oil blender for a company, you really don't know what the entire make-up of any oil is.

I'm aware that Exxon Mobil uses Group III base stocks (their proprietary base stock called Visom), and that Mobil1 0W40 used to be primarly Visom, but nobody on here knows much about the specifics of any of their base stock blends.

And every Mobil1 oil isn't blended the same way either. They use a mix of various base oils and one "synthetic" oil may be predominately Group IV/V and another may be a mix of Group III+ and IV, or whatever.

"According to this if you have an oil that uses primarily group IV and V base stocks, with a small amount of Group III base stocks, then it is not "Full Synthetic"."


No, I said the opposite.


"The only thing that I asked you to do is show me where you found these guidelines and your reply was that it's all over the internet. Sort of senseless to debate this though as someone above that used to work in the industry stated the great debate over "synthetic" vs "full synthetic" is dead anyway."


You said guidelines, not me. I said look for them, not that they are all over nor admitting there are. I even mentioned that it might not have a legal definition. You are even wrongly quoting the guy you quoted, he said Synthetic vs True Synthetic, not Full vs 100%, which is what I've been referring too.
Also, is a guy from the internet, the only thing I'm sure of is that he's really good with the ampersand. I only know of five groups.



"This same sentiment can be seen in posts from other oil blenders at bitog as well as an oil blender that used to post in this forum. And unless you are an oil blender for a company, you really don't know what the entire make-up of any oil is."


Again, because I don't work for a blender it means that I cant have the knowledge? I'm not going to stop messing with my compression and rebound settings on my coilovers just because I don't work for Penske or work on my engine because I don't have a diploma from UTI. Your line of thinking is very limiting.


"I'm aware that Exxon Mobil uses Group III base stocks (their proprietary base stock called Visom), and that Mobil1 0W40 used to be primarly Visom, but nobody on here knows much about the specifics of any of their base stock blends.
And every Mobil1 oil isn't blended the same way either. They use a mix of various base oils and one "synthetic" oil may be predominately Group IV/V and another may be a mix of Group III+ and IV, or whatever."


I have no idea what they use nor care. Just have enough knowledge based on my research that their oil is not for me.


You accuse me of giving false information, but have you proven how and why is it false or proven how your rebut is the correct one? I have no problem admitting I'm wrong, but I'm not going to take your word for it.
That's not how you debate in my opinion and the reason why I'm not engaging you anymore.
People like you are the reason why the good ones don't post on forums anymore.

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by texasbound972

I see nobody has asked the question if RP is "compatible" with E85. From what a Motul salesman has told me, all of their oil is okay to use on E85. You just can't run their 300V series with it. You can but you'd be needing to change your oil at 1k miles. So I'm not 100% sure if I want to use RP or Mobil 1. I need oil and motul isn't available where I'm at right now in El Centro. I'll be using the recommended 0w40 weight like Quirt Crawford told me to. I'm boosted with Crawford's built block and it's 10.5:1. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

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E85 compatibility is part of the GF5 spec and RP has GF5 oils.
http://www.gf-5.com/the_story/performance/

That said, I would use RP HPS or Motul 300V over the GF5 oils because you want a more robust oil with E85.

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by endless_pain

"According to this if you have an oil that uses primarily group IV and V base stocks, with a small amount of Group III base stocks, then it is not "Full Synthetic"."


No, I said the opposite.


"The only thing that I asked you to do is show me where you found these guidelines and your reply was that it's all over the internet. Sort of senseless to debate this though as someone above that used to work in the industry stated the great debate over "synthetic" vs "full synthetic" is dead anyway."


You said guidelines, not me. I said look for them, not that they are all over nor admitting there are. I even mentioned that it might not have a legal definition. You are even wrongly quoting the guy you quoted, he said Synthetic vs True Synthetic, not Full vs 100%, which is what I've been referring too.
Also, is a guy from the internet, the only thing I'm sure of is that he's really good with the ampersand. I only know of five groups.



"This same sentiment can be seen in posts from other oil blenders at bitog as well as an oil blender that used to post in this forum. And unless you are an oil blender for a company, you really don't know what the entire make-up of any oil is."


Again, because I don't work for a blender it means that I cant have the knowledge? I'm not going to stop messing with my compression and rebound settings on my coilovers just because I don't work for Penske or work on my engine because I don't have a diploma from UTI. Your line of thinking is very limiting.


"I'm aware that Exxon Mobil uses Group III base stocks (their proprietary base stock called Visom), and that Mobil1 0W40 used to be primarly Visom, but nobody on here knows much about the specifics of any of their base stock blends.
And every Mobil1 oil isn't blended the same way either. They use a mix of various base oils and one "synthetic" oil may be predominately Group IV/V and another may be a mix of Group III+ and IV, or whatever."


I have no idea what they use nor care. Just have enough knowledge based on my research that their oil is not for me.


You accuse me of giving false information, but have you proven how and why is it false or proven how your rebut is the correct one? I have no problem admitting I'm wrong, but I'm not going to take your word for it.
That's not how you debate in my opinion and the reason why I'm not engaging you anymore.
People like you are the reason why the good ones don't post on forums anymore.

Such a scathing commentary and you missed the point entirely. "Full Synthetic" "100% Synthetic", "Part Synthetic" and "Synthetic" are all marketing terms. That's a pretty chart. Where did you get it? The SAE? The API?

If I mis-quoted Tom the point isn't the number of base stocks that there are (yes, there are only five) but oil blenders are blending different base stocks so the debate regarding the terms used in synthetic oil marketing are dead because oil blenders are blending various combinations. I'm surprised that you didn't pick up on that. Just because a company calls their oil "100% Synthetic" it doesn't mean they only use Group IV and/or V base stocks when they blend the oil. It's marketing.

And Tom is not some guy on the internet. He retired from Hatco where he created ester base stocks for them and he is currently the advisor for the Petroleum Quality Institute of America.

http://www.chemtura.com

http://www.pqiamerica.com/

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/esters...ic-lubricants/

And here is an excellent article in Lubes-N-Greases from a different guy named Tom:

http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/...b#/e970d7ab/16

Even if one were willing to part with a half-million dollars or so for tests
to assure a product is synthetic, the answer would come up short.

First, there are no industry standards or specifications that define
"synthetic" motor oil. And maybe for good reason. Motor oils are a complex and
delicatedly balanced mixture of base oils and chemical additives formulated to
meet API, ILSAC, ACEA, OEM, and other specifications. These specfications are
clear and measureable. They are also blind to the word "synthetic". This is
because they are performance-based specifications, not directly tied to the
oil's composition. In the absence of official definitions or discriminating
specifications, the word synthetic has evolved to be more of a marketing term
than a technical term in the world of automotive lubricants. ...

Second, even if one draws a line arbitrarily in the sand that says synthetic
motor oils must contain X percent API Group III, IV or V base stock, that line
would be muddied and very difficult to confirm by testing.

[viscositosis.rex]

bluesubie, Mobil 1 AFE and Mobil 1 EP appear to have nearly identical add packs---specs---characteristics, what one would like to call it, except that EP carries the 15k mile guarantee. The one difference seems to be the amount of Visom vs the amount of PAO. Oh, and in the 0W20 grade, AFE has an HTHS of ~2.62 and EP has an HTHS of 2.7, so the yellow cap stuff is slightly thicker.

With regard to RP, I would want me some Synerlec to go with my dose of esters, or I would want to go home. BTW RP touts the ethanol-friendly attributes of their motor oils. Cheers everyone.

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by viscositosis.rex

bluesubie, Mobil 1 AFE and Mobil 1 EP appear to have nearly identical add packs---specs---characteristics, what one would like to call it, except that EP carries the 15k mile guarantee. The one difference seems to be the amount of Visom vs the amount of PAO. Oh, and in the 0W20 grade, AFE has an HTHS of ~2.62 and EP has an HTHS of 2.7, so the yellow cap stuff is slightly thicker.

With regard to RP, I would want me some Synerlec to go with my dose of esters, or I would want to go home. BTW RP touts the ethanol-friendly attributes of their motor oils. Cheers everyone.

Excellent! "Seems to be"! Yes, and perhaps they use some esters/alkylated napthalenes in EP as well since they make and use those base stocks.

Synerlec is still available in the non-API certified High Performance Street line of RP oils.
http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/p...hps-motor-oil/