Scion FRS vs Toyota GT 86 ?

[Hanakuso]

Originally Posted by Moto-P

Good news is that we do get, in the Scion FRS, the door trim accents, and padding, as well as leather red stitched boot, steering wheel, and shift knob. And the upgraded Limited spec dash cluster, as well, with the digital speed indicator and trip computer/mileage/temp displays, and is region specific to the USA with BOTH MPH and KMPH readings.

I just wish they added on the leather red stitched e-brake and the knee panel. I hope these are too expensive to upgrade to the JDM/EU

[TuxedoCartman]

Originally Posted by Hanakuso

I just wish they added on the leather red stitched e-brake and the knee panel. I hope these are too expensive to upgrade to the JDM/EU

I know! I just noticed that yesterday. I mean, everything else in there has red stitching; why were the e-brake boot and knee panel the only bits not to get it? Would switching to red thread really have put the base car over $25,000?

[Rob_g]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

I don't want a BRZ, I will not buy from Subaru, especially since the only dealer in my area is terrible and to be avoided at all costs. I'd rather castrate myself with tweezers than buy from them. Even if there was a good Subaru dealer in the area, I have my brand loyalty that I want to uphold, I want the Toyota. Yeah, yeah, it's a "Subaru vehicle" that was built in part with Toyota. They still had a hand in it, whether you like it or not. I want my Toyota and I don't see Scion as Toyota. They have different views, goals, and ways of doing business.

Oh you must be talking about Auto Gallery (subaru dealership) Did you read this?

http://www.insurancecouncils.sk.ca/d...20%202010).pdf

For the same reason you state, I will not buy a BRZ because our Subaru dealership has a terrible reputation. I have talked to AG, but it seems they are only bringing in 2 MT and one is sold, no AT which is what I want (because of a disability). Taylor Toyota has always treated me well even if I can't get the best deal out of them. My buddy just bought a new SLK 350 convertible for $77k + tax, but he can afford that luxury stuff. Maybe I'll trade him cars for a day ... The AWD would be nice in the winter... but I can't afford that expensive of a vehicle..

Still waiting for word that the hold is released. My financing is all in place, just need to pick up the darn car!



Rob

[Sasquachulator]

Its probably far easier to get a BRZ limited, swap the badges and change the front bumper than it would be to deal with the electronics for the auto HVAC/push button.

[Jeff Lange]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Its probably far easier to get a BRZ limited, swap the badges and change the front bumper than it would be to deal with the electronics for the auto HVAC/push button.

And cheaper.

Jeff

[Hanakuso]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Its probably far easier to get a BRZ limited, swap the badges and change the front bumper than it would be to deal with the electronics for the auto HVAC/push button.

Swap to a 86 or FRS? Both would cost over $1000 unless you can find one used

[Saber_TRD]

Originally Posted by Rob_g

Oh you must be talking about Auto Gallery (subaru dealership) Did you read this?

http://www.insurancecouncils.sk.ca/download%20files/Disciplinary%20Decisions/Auto%20Gallery%20Notice%20of%20Hearing%20(Sept%202 0%202010).pdf

For the same reason you state, I will not buy a BRZ because our Subaru dealership has a terrible reputation. I have talked to AG, but it seems they are only bringing in 2 MT and one is sold, no AT which is what I want (because of a disability). Taylor Toyota has always treated me well even if I can't get the best deal out of them. My buddy just bought a new SLK 350 convertible for $77k + tax, but he can afford that luxury stuff. Maybe I'll trade him cars for a day ... The AWD would be nice in the winter... but I can't afford that expensive of a vehicle..

Still waiting for word that the hold is released. My financing is all in place, just need to pick up the darn car!



Rob

I don't even have to name them and someone knows them by name instantly. Goes to show how bad they are, complete with pdf of offenses. Good to see they're being drilled again.... if only it'd be for the last time, if you know what I mean.

I heard that documentation issue may take another week in some other thread here. Hope that's not the case, would rather see people get their cars. Wish I could get mine too, Toyota, step up on that and offer me an 86 already and not these Scion or Subaru offerings.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by Moto-P

I have confirmed with the Chief Engineer Tada, that the swap of Climate controls to the Japanese model DUAL-ZONE panel does require lower dash harness replacement, and addition of a controller and a sensor, as well as start-button (regardless of if you intend to do the wire and box add necessary to get that to work as well)...

So its a little more involved in this area...but not impossible either.

The Navigation A/V units are not compatible with the USA cars as mapping and networked features like real-time traffic, social networking, and radio frequencies, require the region-specific infrastructures in respective areas.

Good news is that we do get, in the Scion FRS, the door trim accents, and padding, as well as leather red stitched boot, steering wheel, and shift knob. And the upgraded Limited spec dash cluster, as well, with the digital speed indicator and trip computer/mileage/temp displays, and is region specific to the USA with BOTH MPH and KMPH readings.

Once crashed Limited BRZs start to hit the junk yards, digital dual climate swaps will be a lot easier.

Moto-san, isn't the interior material in the FR-S lower grade quality compared to the GT86 counterpart?

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Once crashed Limited BRZs start to hit the junk yards, digital dual climate swaps will be a lot easier.

Moto-san, isn't the interior material in the FR-S lower grade quality compared to the GT86 counterpart?

What do you mean by interior? Like seats? steering wheel? etc?

Cuz iirc they're same ones for base~GT and FR-S is pretty much G w base & GT stuff mix together. Just GT-Limited is the highest w leather option. Cuz making different material for 86/FRS/BRZ isn't really cost efficient

Moto-san you can correct me if I'm wrong on this.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

What do you mean by interior? Like seats? steering wheel? etc?

Cuz iirc they're same ones for base~GT and FR-S is pretty much G w base & GT stuff mix together. Just GT-Limited is the highest w leather option. Cuz making different material for 86/FRS/BRZ isn't really cost efficient

Moto-san you can correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Yeah, like the dash panel, door panel, seat fabric material being a lower grade plastic and/or leather compared to the Japanese version.

[Saber_TRD]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

What do you mean by interior? Like seats? steering wheel? etc?

Cuz iirc they're same ones for base~GT and FR-S is pretty much G w base & GT stuff mix together. Just GT-Limited is the highest w leather option. Cuz making different material for 86/FRS/BRZ isn't really cost efficient

Moto-san you can correct me if I'm wrong on this.

That doesn't make sense, they're offering the different materials anyway, just not in North America. Since the same factory makes everything, they still have to produce those options.

Not offering them to more market areas is what makes it less cost efficient as they end up making them anyway but fewer of them. This means using up facilities for a smaller number of the product which is not cost efficient. You want to make as much as possible and sell as much as possible to make it cost efficient.

Yes, the way they have it now makes the lower grade materials more cost efficient, but they're still wasting efficiency by producing the higher grade materials anyway and limiting the market area. Since they still have the higher grade facilities in place, not producing as much as they could be.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Yeah, like the dash panel, door panel, seat fabric material being a lower grade plastic and/or leather compared to the Japanese version.

Wha?

-the dash panel trim should be the same....they're not magically of lower grade material because its lower trim level.....The only differences that i think there are is that one is the T shaped looking carbon fibre trim in Toyota/Scions and the silver/metallic looking trim in the BRZ.

-Seats? Theres 3 different seat materials i think. Fuzzy cloth, 'tough' looking cloth, leather/alcantara. The FRS gets the fuzzy cloth (RC/G). BRZ premium has the 'tough' cloth (GT?) and the leather/alcantara is in the BRZ limited (GT-Limited).

-door trim? I think its all the same. They're the red stitched leather (leatherette?) found on the spots being most touched (like the door sill, armrest, etc). I dont think they're all black on the FRS.

I think if you were to compare the FRS with the Japanese 86, the FRS is a G with the red accents from the GT.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

That doesn't make sense, they're offering the different materials anyway, just not in North America. Since the same factory makes everything, they still have to produce those options.

Not offering them to more market areas is what makes it less cost efficient as they end up making them anyway but fewer of them. This means using up facilities for a smaller number of the product which is not cost efficient. You want to make as much as possible and sell as much as possible to make it cost efficient.

Yes, the way they have it now makes the lower grade materials more cost efficient, but they're still wasting efficiency by producing the higher grade materials anyway and limiting the market area. Since they still have the higher grade facilities in place, not producing as much as they could be.

For base model, is it cost efficient to have several different material? No. I do agree w keep limited material in limited country (ex: leather trim).

[Saber_TRD]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Wha?

-the dash panel trim should be the same....they're not magically of lower grade material because its lower trim level.....The only differences that i think there are is that one is the T shaped looking carbon fibre trim in Toyota/Scions and the silver/metallic looking trim in the BRZ.

-Seats? Theres 3 different seat materials i think. Fuzzy cloth, 'tough' looking cloth, leather/alcantara. The FRS gets the fuzzy cloth (RC/G). BRZ premium has the 'tough' cloth (GT?) and the leather/alcantara is in the BRZ limited (GT-Limited).

-door trim? I think its all the same. They're the red stitched leather (leatherette?) found on the spots being most touched (like the door sill, armrest, etc). I dont think they're all black on the FRS.

I think if you were to compare the FRS with the Japanese 86, the FRS is a G with the red accents from the GT.

Interesting, so the leather/alcantara is offered in North America on the BRZ Limited, very interesting. I shall be using that information.

As for the red stitching, the FR-S has black instead of red stitching on many areas in the car that the Toyota 86 has red stitching in place.

examples:

Toyota: http://newautocars.org/wp-content/up...or-picture.jpg
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...3&d=1331046123

Scion: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...0&d=1322712818
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...2&d=1333575026