ENI OIL

[viscositosis.rex]

Originally Posted by bluesubie

No, IMO. I know that you're one of the "thin is in" guys, but I don't understand the infatuation.

Subaru Japan allows two grades higher than the U.S. recommended grade and you want to go one grade lower than the U.S. recommended grade. Maybe you just need a two cylinder car.

Note that Ravenol didn't mention the GT-86, or other similar car, in their marketing paper. Isn't Ravenol a lower tier oil anyway?

ENI is probably good oil (trying to stay on topic). If you want ester based, go with Motul 8100 0W20.

Wow. The perception is that my cordial post caused you to get out your flame thrower and point it at me.

Your volatility, as well as the volatility of FR-S/BRZ factory fill is much, much higher than the volatility of Ravenol 0W16. It has esters and PAO's, as does ENI, only EFE is much lighter. Ravenol does not shear. TGMO starts at HTHS 2.61 and immediately shears down to HTHS 2.4 . Ravenol starts at HTHS 2.3 and stays there. ENI, Eco-lite, Sustina, any oil you can name is now too thick.

What Ravenol does actually say is this:
Ravenol EFE SAE 0W-16 is recommended for...supercharged, direct injection...vehicles under all operating conditions...and is suitable for all SAE 0W-20 and SAE 5W-20 applications when SAE SN is requested.

There is a reliable lubrication film even at high operating temperatures. Low volatilty, resulting in low oil consumption. No oil-related deposits in combustion chambers, in the piston ring zone and on valves.

Ravenol oils have obtained factory approval status from MercedesBenz, Porsche, BMW, Audi, VW, LandRover, and others.

bluesubie, you sir, are refusing to recognize the evolution of motor oil.

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by viscositosis.rex

Wow. The perception is that my cordial post caused you to get out your flame thrower and point it at me.

Your volatility, as well as the volatility of FR-S/BRZ factory fill is much, much higher than the volatility of Ravenol 0W16. It has esters and PAO's, as does ENI, only EFE is much lighter. Ravenol does not shear. TGMO starts at HTHS 2.61 and immediately shears down to HTHS 2.4 . Ravenol starts at HTHS 2.3 and stays there. ENI, Eco-lite, Sustina, any oil you can name is now too thick.

What Ravenol does actually say is this:
Ravenol EFE SAE 0W-16 is recommended for...supercharged, direct injection...vehicles under all operating conditions...and is suitable for all SAE 0W-20 and SAE 5W-20 applications when SAE SN is requested.

There is a reliable lubrication film even at high operating temperatures. Low volatilty, resulting in low oil consumption. No oil-related deposits in combustion chambers, in the piston ring zone and on valves.

Ravenol oils have obtained factory approval status from MercedesBenz, Porsche, BMW, Audi, VW, LandRover, and others.

bluesubie, you sir, are refusing to recognize the evolution of motor oil.

1. You are a thread-jacker. This is a thread about ENI 0W20, not about Ravenol and not about 0W-16.
2. Flame thrower? My replies are full of goofy emoticons and smilies
3. Please do not make comments such has an oil "does not shear" unless you are prepared to back them up with some data and not marketing or hearsay on the internet.
4. How do you know how much of a drop in HTHS drop is occurring in any oil? I presume you are looking at some ASTM D5481 results on these used oils?

Thank you, drive through.

[viscositosis.rex]

Originally Posted by bluesubie

1. You are a thread-jacker. This is a thread about ENI 0W20, not about Ravenol and not about 0W-16.
2. Flame thrower? My replies are full of goofy emoticons and smilies
3. Please do not make comments such has an oil "does not shear" unless you are prepared to back them up with some data and not marketing or hearsay on the internet.
4. How do you know how much of a drop in HTHS drop is occurring in any oil? I presume you are looking at some ASTM D5481 results on these used oils?

Thank you, drive through.

OP, I hope ENI works out well for you. Please post UOAs. Oil composition, be it ester, PAO or GTL, interests me greatly. Dogma does not.

Ravenol 0W16 obtaining SAE SN status and coming to NA is ground breaking.

I will post results for this new to NA motor oil asap. It has been used elsewhere.

Dennis, did you see Ravenol 0W16's extraordinary NOACK ? I am not reaching at all. As a 90k mile per year driver, I am extremely concerned about valve deposits and piston ring coking.

BTW bluesubie, substantiate that Pennzoil Platinum Euro does not shear. Enzo and Dino are bye bye. Ferdinand speaks from the grave.

Ravenol gets factory approval from Porsche and you call them middle of the road. Trav is wrong .

Contrasting ENI with Ravenol is not thread hijacking, anymore than it is thread hijacking to bring up Motul or Pennzoil Platinum Euro. It is obviously the low viscosity that troubles you.

And it is a prejorative to speak in terms of "the thin is in crowd."

Why do you have absolutely no comments about mav tracking with Sustina 0W20 with spectacular results?

Deflect and obsfucate on.

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by viscositosis.rex

BTW bluesubie, substantiate that Pennzoil Platinum Euro does not shear. Enzo and Dino are bye bye. Ferdinand speaks from the grave.

I doubt there is a low 40 grade API SN oil that doesn't shear in my application.

[viscositosis.rex]

Originally Posted by bluesubie

I doubt there is a low 40 grade API SN oil that doesn't shear in my application.

Give the 0W16 a chance.
Your bearings will thank you.

[DCdesign2000]

Originally Posted by bluesubie

It's probably hard to find anyone that runs Eni since the oil is hard to find. In the old days they were called Agip and they are well respected in the racing community. I'm not even sure if they ever got into "synthetic" oils though.

The preferred Ferrari oil in the U.S. is Pennzoil Euro 5W40 and elsewhere it's called Shell Helix Ultra 5W40 (similar or the same as Pennzoil 5W40).

Pennzoil Platinum® Euro
Full Synthetic Motor Oil with PurePlus™ Technology
Euro 5W-40

BMW LL-01
Chrysler MS 10725, 10850 and 12991
Ferrari
Maserati
Fiat 9.55535.Z2
Mercedes-Benz 229.3, 229.5 and 226.5
Porsche A40
VW 502 00 and 505 00
Renault RN0700 and RN0710
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pe...Specifications

http://www.shell.co.uk/motorist/oils...-for-cars.html

So if you run Pennzoil, you'll be running the same brand that is recommended for Ferrari's, and the same brand that makes oil that meets the toughest oil specs in the world. Of course, the viscosity is different and the specs for different viscosities are different, so make sure you run the proper viscosity or grade for your application.

Hate to burst the bubble, but BRZ/FRS is a 4 cylinder Japanese boxer engine, not an Italian Stallion V8 or V12 race engine. FA-20 engine requires different specs, I would think.

Is Euro blend oil good for the FA-20 engine?

Eni 0W-20 = API SN/ILSAC GF-5 Certified.
Idenmitsu claims that their 0W-20 GF-5 meets API SM / ILSAC GF-5 requirements, too.

Does anyone know if Eni 0W-20 has better specs than the Subaru (Idemitsu) oil or Toyota oil, in what way?

I am still trying to decide on which brand of 0W-20 to use for my first oil change. Reading all these threads just sent my head spinning.

Thanks!

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by DCdesign2000

Hate to burst the bubble, but BRZ/FRS is a 4 cylinder Japanese boxer engine, not an Italian Stallion V8 or V12 race engine. FA-20 engine requires different specs, I would think.

Is Euro blend oil good for the FA-20 engine?

Eni 0W-20 = API SN/ILSAC GF-5 Certified.
Idenmitsu claims that their 0W-20 GF-5 meets API SM / ILSAC GF-5 requirements, too.

Does anyone know if Eni 0W-20 has better specs than the Subaru (Idemitsu) oil or Toyota oil, in what way?

I am still trying to decide on which brand of 0W-20 to use for my first oil change. Reading all these threads just sent my head spinning.

Thanks!

Thank you for the clarification. I thought for sure that the FT-86 had a V8 or V12 race engine.

If you read the original post, you will see that I answered the question regarding the oil used in Ferrari's.

Originally Posted by brady86

...Very curious if they use it in Ferraris and other Italian cars I'm sure it must be to some quality standard...

Having said that, 5W40 is allowed in the BRZ by Subaru in Japan so maybe Subaru Japan thinks they are building V12 race engines.

And just because an oil may meet different specs it does not mean that one oil is better than the other. It only means that one oil company decided to pay the huge fee to have their oil tested to see if it would meet those specs so they can sell more oil. They also get creative with the language that they use in their marketing.

ENI = API SN; ILSAC GF5
http://www.eni.com/en_NA/attachments...t-brochure.pdf

PUP = API SN; ILSAC GF5; Exceeds Chrysler MS-6395; ACEA A1/B1 and dexos1
http://www.pennzoil.com/wp-content/u...F-5-en-TDS.pdf

Amsoil Signature Series 0W20
...recommended for all domestic and foreign vehicles requiring any of the listed performance specifications:

0W-20 (ASM): API SN (Resource Conserving), SM…; ILSAC GF-5, GF-4…; ACEA A1/B1; GM dexos1™ (supersedes 6094M) Fortified with detergents that exceed dexos1 sulfated ash specifications; Chrysler MS-6395; Ford WSS-M2C947-A
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produc...?code=ASMQT-EA

Amsoil actually doesn't pay to have their SS oil "certified" by the API and ILSAC.

[DCdesign2000]

Originally Posted by bluesubie

Thank you for the clarification. I thought for sure that the FT-86 had a V8 or V12 race engine.

If you read the original post, you will see that I answered the question regarding the oil used in Ferrari's.


Having said that, 5W40 is allowed in the BRZ by Subaru in Japan so maybe Subaru Japan thinks they are building V12 race engines.

And just because an oil may meet different specs it does not mean that one oil is better than the other. It only means that one oil company decided to pay the huge fee to have their oil tested to see if it would meet those specs so they can sell more oil. They also get creative with the language that they use in their marketing.

ENI = API SN; ILSAC GF5
http://www.eni.com/en_NA/attachments...t-brochure.pdf

PUP = API SN; ILSAC GF5; Exceeds Chrysler MS-6395; ACEA A1/B1 and dexos1
http://www.pennzoil.com/wp-content/u...F-5-en-TDS.pdf

Amsoil Signature Series 0W20
...recommended for all domestic and foreign vehicles requiring any of the listed performance specifications:

0W-20 (ASM): API SN (Resource Conserving), SM…; ILSAC GF-5, GF-4…; ACEA A1/B1; GM dexos1™ (supersedes 6094M) Fortified with detergents that exceed dexos1 sulfated ash specifications; Chrysler MS-6395; Ford WSS-M2C947-A
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produc...?code=ASMQT-EA

Amsoil actually doesn't pay to have their SS oil "certified" by the API and ILSAC.

Hummm...... 12 cyl in the BRZ/FRS That sounds so nice~
I wonder if they stack up 3 of the FA-20 engines to make it a 12 cyl. racing engine

---- Back to the topic. So has anyone tried the ENI 0W-20 yet? What do you think?

Thanks!