ENI OIL - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

brady86 · 06-25-2015, 10:31 PM

So today at a large Alfa Romeo meet I was contacting by a vendor asking me if that frs was mine. Talked to him for a bit told him my mods and how my oil runs a little hot and he was telling me about ENI oil his company seems fairly new since I have never heard of it at least here in the u.s so I was wondering if anyone has tried it and had alright results? Very curious if they use it in Ferraris and other Italian cars I'm sure it must be to some quality standard

venturaII · 06-26-2015, 02:34 PM

Not to hijack, but where was the meet??

brady86 · 06-26-2015, 03:02 PM

Was at federal hill in R.I pretty cool to see all the old alfas and the 4c's

bluesubie · 06-26-2015, 03:53 PM

It's probably hard to find anyone that runs Eni since the oil is hard to find. In the old days they were called Agip and they are well respected in the racing community. I'm not even sure if they ever got into "synthetic" oils though.

The preferred Ferrari oil in the U.S. is Pennzoil Euro 5W40 and elsewhere it's called Shell Helix Ultra 5W40 (similar or the same as Pennzoil 5W40).

Pennzoil Platinum® Euro
Full Synthetic Motor Oil with PurePlus™ Technology
Euro 5W-40

BMW LL-01
Chrysler MS 10725, 10850 and 12991
Ferrari
Maserati
Fiat 9.55535.Z2
Mercedes-Benz 229.3, 229.5 and 226.5
Porsche A40
VW 502 00 and 505 00
Renault RN0700 and RN0710
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pe...Specifications

http://www.shell.co.uk/motorist/oils...-for-cars.html

So if you run Pennzoil, you'll be running the same brand that is recommended for Ferrari's, and the same brand that makes oil that meets the toughest oil specs in the world. Of course, the viscosity is different and the specs for different viscosities are different, so make sure you run the proper viscosity or grade for your application.

brady86 · 06-26-2015, 06:26 PM

Thanks for the descriptive information and it is hard to find but the employee at the meet said they are opening more distubuters in America and they do have 0w-20 synthetic and other wieghts next oil change I will email him and get some then hopefully update with oil temps with their product

bluesubie · 07-09-2015, 10:39 AM

It's sold on Amazon. Open up that wallet!

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Eni-020SSXLCQSIN-4AM-0W-20-Motor/dp/B00KFDQDLC"]Amazon.com: Eni (020SSXLCQSIN) 4AM 0W-20 Motor Oil - 1 Quart: Automotive[/ame]

As far as metallic addtives that show up in a uoa go, it looks fairly typical of any GF5 0W20 (i.e. not much different than any 0W20 from Wal-Mart):

http://www.pqiamerica.com/June%202014/eni0W20.htm

Cool bottle though! And I doubt those Alfa's used 0W20. The current 4C requires an oil that meets a specific Fiat spec and I believe it's usually a 5W40. Older Alfa's sometimes use 50 grade oils.

mhughett · 07-09-2015, 10:53 AM

Yes, if you buy it by the quart it is over $12 ea. but if you buy a full case of 12 quarts at $66.71 per case, that is very cheap.

bluesubie · 07-09-2015, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mhughett

Yes, if you buy it by the quart it is over $12 ea. but if you buy a full case of 12 quarts at $66.71 per case, that is very cheap.

Didn't even notice that. Thanks.

viscositosis.rex · 07-10-2015, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluesubie

It's probably hard to find anyone that runs Eni since the oil is hard to find. In the old days they were called Agip and they are well respected in the racing community. I'm not even sure if they ever got into "synthetic" oils though.

The preferred Ferrari oil in the U.S. is Pennzoil Euro 5W40 and elsewhere it's called Shell Helix Ultra 5W40 (similar or the same as Pennzoil 5W40).

Pennzoil Platinum® Euro
Full Synthetic Motor Oil with PurePlus™ Technology
Euro 5W-40

BMW LL-01
Chrysler MS 10725, 10850 and 12991
Ferrari
Maserati
Fiat 9.55535.Z2
Mercedes-Benz 229.3, 229.5 and 226.5
Porsche A40
VW 502 00 and 505 00
Renault RN0700 and RN0710
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pe...Specifications

http://www.shell.co.uk/motorist/oils...-for-cars.html

So if you run Pennzoil, you'll be running the same brand that is recommended for Ferrari's, and the same brand that makes oil that meets the toughest oil specs in the world. Of course, the viscosity is different and the specs for different viscosities are different, so make sure you run the proper viscosity or grade for your application.

bluesubie, what's better for GDI, group III or group IV or group V?

GTL or PAO or Esters ?

BTW my local Hyundai dealer uses bulk 5W30 synthetic blend in everything, with 7.5k mi OCI/FCI.

GDI and turbo GDI.

I think it's Coastal or ServicePro.

roybotnik · 07-10-2015, 06:06 PM

IIRC during the time I spent on the Porsche forums, someone posted a magazine article where they performed a test on several synthetic oils by essentially scratching some metal slugs with a steel wheel while applying the oils. The pennzoil was significantly better than anything else, and only amsoil was close. Wish I still had this because I don't remember what particular weight and formulation they tested...

Keep in mind that special formulations for certain weights make a SIGNIFICANT difference and just choosing a brand won't do you any good. (oops I just noticed that bluesubie basically said this already)

bluesubie · 07-13-2015, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by viscositosis.rex

bluesubie, what's better for GDI, group III or group IV or group V?

GTL or PAO or Esters ?

BTW my local Hyundai dealer uses bulk 5W30 synthetic blend in everything, with 7.5k mi OCI/FCI.

GDI and turbo GDI.

I think it's Coastal or ServicePro.

Some things to look for regarding GDI are low calcium, low SAPS, and low NOACK volatility. GF5 oils are usually low calcium and low SAPS anyway so you're covered if you use a GF5 oil. Over the past couple of years, some GF5 oils like Mobil1 and I think Castrol have reduced calcium and increased magnesium.

As to which group of base stocks I don't think it matters. Although, GTL does have very low NOACK numbers.

viscositosis.rex · 07-13-2015, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluesubie

Some things to look for regarding GDI are low calcium, low SAPS, and low NOACK volatility. GF5 oils are usually low calcium and low SAPS anyway so you're covered if you use a GF5 oil. Over the past couple of years, some GF5 oils like Mobil1 and I think Castrol have reduced calcium and increased magnesium.

As to which group of base stocks I don't think it matters. Although, GTL does have very low NOACK numbers.

I am endeavoring to stay on topic !
Any thoughts on the brand new Ravenol 0W16?
HTHS 2.3
VI ~130.
German Synthetic.
Esters.
Is this a candidate for the 86 engine?
What the heck is causing this consumption
in other boxers?
Is it the low friction piston rings.

Thank you bluesubie.

bluesubie · 07-15-2015, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by viscositosis.rex

Is this a candidate for the 86 engine?

No, IMO. I know that you're one of the "thin is in" guys, but I don't understand the infatuation.

Subaru Japan allows two grades higher than the U.S. recommended grade and you want to go one grade lower than the U.S. recommended grade. Maybe you just need a two cylinder car.

Note that Ravenol didn't mention the GT-86, or other similar car, in their marketing paper. Isn't Ravenol a lower tier oil anyway?

ENI is probably good oil (trying to stay on topic). If you want ester based, go with Motul 8100 0W20.

viscositosis.rex · 07-15-2015, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluesubie

No, IMO. I know that you're one of the "thin is in" guys, but I don't understand the infatuation.

Subaru Japan allows two grades higher than the U.S. recommended grade and you want to go one grade lower than the U.S. recommended grade. Maybe you just need a two cylinder car.

Note that Ravenol didn't mention the GT-86, or other similar car, in their marketing paper. Isn't Ravenol a lower tier oil anyway?

ENI is probably good oil (trying to stay on topic). If you want ester based, go with Motul 8100 0W20.

I am essentially comparing ester oils. ENI. Motul. Ravenol (German "true synthetic")

Ravenol is factory fill for VW. Surprised Trav did not mention that.

I focus on basestock more than you are inclined to. The strategies that 4 DS Boxer owners use interests me. Their choices, with their money, and their engines on the line, are telltale.

Thin oil is not a platitude for me. After all I used Sustina 0W20 for 60k miles. FWIW, next up for me is Ravenol 0W16 and extended OCI's in my brand new PriusC. Then Quaker State Ultimate Durability 0W20 with frequent OCI's---all with basic UOAs.

Ravenol is low NOACK, low VI and shear stable. HTHS 2.3 and steady. TGMO and Idemitsu shears down near that thinness anyway...could be of interest to FT86 crowd.

Thank you for your time and your patience bluesubie. I will study ENI too.
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06-25-2015, 10:31 PM	#1
brady86 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Drives: 2013 firestorm fr-s Location: south coast, Massachusetts Posts: 113 Thanks: 15 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	ENI OIL So today at a large Alfa Romeo meet I was contacting by a vendor asking me if that frs was mine. Talked to him for a bit told him my mods and how my oil runs a little hot and he was telling me about ENI oil his company seems fairly new since I have never heard of it at least here in the u.s so I was wondering if anyone has tried it and had alright results? Very curious if they use it in Ferraris and other Italian cars I'm sure it must be to some quality standard

07-09-2015, 10:39 AM	#6
bluesubie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: 2004 Subaru Forester 2.5XT Location: Central NJ Posts: 681 Thanks: 28 Thanked 273 Times in 200 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It's sold on Amazon. Open up that wallet! [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Eni-020SSXLCQSIN-4AM-0W-20-Motor/dp/B00KFDQDLC"]Amazon.com: Eni (020SSXLCQSIN) 4AM 0W-20 Motor Oil - 1 Quart: Automotive[/ame] As far as metallic addtives that show up in a uoa go, it looks fairly typical of any GF5 0W20 (i.e. not much different than any 0W20 from Wal-Mart): http://www.pqiamerica.com/June%202014/eni0W20.htm Cool bottle though! And I doubt those Alfa's used 0W20. The current 4C requires an oil that meets a specific Fiat spec and I believe it's usually a 5W40. Older Alfa's sometimes use 50 grade oils. Last edited by bluesubie; 07-09-2015 at 10:53 AM.

06-26-2015, 02:34 PM	#2
venturaII Only users lose drugs. Join Date: Nov 2014 Drives: All the time Location: Shrewsbury upon Worcestershire Posts: 1,834 Thanks: 888 Thanked 1,078 Times in 681 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Not to hijack, but where was the meet??

06-26-2015, 03:02 PM	#3
brady86 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Drives: 2013 firestorm fr-s Location: south coast, Massachusetts Posts: 113 Thanks: 15 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Was at federal hill in R.I pretty cool to see all the old alfas and the 4c's

06-26-2015, 03:53 PM	#4
bluesubie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: 2004 Subaru Forester 2.5XT Location: Central NJ Posts: 681 Thanks: 28 Thanked 273 Times in 200 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It's probably hard to find anyone that runs Eni since the oil is hard to find. In the old days they were called Agip and they are well respected in the racing community. I'm not even sure if they ever got into "synthetic" oils though. The preferred Ferrari oil in the U.S. is Pennzoil Euro 5W40 and elsewhere it's called Shell Helix Ultra 5W40 (similar or the same as Pennzoil 5W40). Pennzoil Platinum® Euro Full Synthetic Motor Oil with PurePlus™ Technology Euro 5W-40 BMW LL-01 Chrysler MS 10725, 10850 and 12991 Ferrari Maserati Fiat 9.55535.Z2 Mercedes-Benz 229.3, 229.5 and 226.5 Porsche A40 VW 502 00 and 505 00 Renault RN0700 and RN0710 http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pe...Specifications http://www.shell.co.uk/motorist/oils...-for-cars.html So if you run Pennzoil, you'll be running the same brand that is recommended for Ferrari's, and the same brand that makes oil that meets the toughest oil specs in the world. Of course, the viscosity is different and the specs for different viscosities are different, so make sure you run the proper viscosity or grade for your application.

06-26-2015, 06:26 PM	#5
brady86 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Drives: 2013 firestorm fr-s Location: south coast, Massachusetts Posts: 113 Thanks: 15 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Thanks for the descriptive information and it is hard to find but the employee at the meet said they are opening more distubuters in America and they do have 0w-20 synthetic and other wieghts next oil change I will email him and get some then hopefully update with oil temps with their product

07-09-2015, 10:53 AM	#7
mhughett Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Drives: 2015 Crystal White BRZ Limited Location: Tulsa Posts: 86 Thanks: 0 Thanked 56 Times in 23 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yes, if you buy it by the quart it is over $12 ea. but if you buy a full case of 12 quarts at $66.71 per case, that is very cheap.

07-10-2015, 06:06 PM	#10
roybotnik Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Drives: 2014 BRZ Location: USA Posts: 29 Thanks: 4 Thanked 17 Times in 10 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	IIRC during the time I spent on the Porsche forums, someone posted a magazine article where they performed a test on several synthetic oils by essentially scratching some metal slugs with a steel wheel while applying the oils. The pennzoil was significantly better than anything else, and only amsoil was close. Wish I still had this because I don't remember what particular weight and formulation they tested... Keep in mind that special formulations for certain weights make a SIGNIFICANT difference and just choosing a brand won't do you any good. (oops I just noticed that bluesubie basically said this already)

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