Bilstein MDS

[Shankenstein]

Originally Posted by MaximeT

Yes, they make 1000$ per car on 30 000$ car. 5000$ in parts, 24000$ development, 1000$ margin.

One day of engine dino is 2000€.
One emission cycle on the rolling bench is 1000€ ( you can make 12 cycles a day, 6 days a week.)
You have like 100 engine dinos running at the same time and 20 rolling benches.

And that's just the price to run the test. You have to add the price of the guys that will process the results.

Costs are just crazy.

Let's not blow things out of proportion. OEM do some in-house development, and they definitely perform a battery of tests on the full vehicle assembly... but most of their work is coordinating with their Tier 1 suppliers. The development costs are built into the out-sourced component's per-unit cost.

In James Rubenstein's book, LINK to Google Books they state that development costs were ~$1000 per vehicle for a mass-market car in the 1990's. For a low volume vehicle like the GT86 a couple decades later, we might be $3-4000/car. Most dealers try to pass the delivery fee onto the customer, so most of the vehicle cost going into components, raw materials, factory tooling, human labor hours, dealership costs, and factory overhead.

[ajc209]

Originally Posted by CSG David

I suspect it's based on annual agreement terms or what not. Bilstein probably wanted to support more than Ohlins and the switch was made. It's a money game.

Either way, both setups are impressive. If you ever get a chance to drive these shocks, JRZs, Sachs, Penske, etc...they are pretty amazing.

oh yeah I wasn't suggesting one was better than the other! TMG will buy the ttx back if you want to change too. I've been wait for a set to appear somewhere for sale ;-)

Toyota UK have purchased a TMG cup car(2013 model with Ohlins TTX) . They had it at oulton park recently at a gt86 owners track day. They wouldn't let me drive it but I got a few hot laps in it driven by Lotus F1 reserve driver (and GP2 champion) Jolyon Palmer. Son of John Palmer Ex F1 driver and owner of the track.

The damping was impressive and ride over the curbs was stunning considering it was a light car on 12kg front and 14kg rear springs.

grip levels were insane on slicks.

[MaximeT]

Did you guys had the opportunity to try a 5000$ one way Penske versus a 5000$ 3 way JRZ or similar.

Does a race quality 1 way is faster than a top of the line track day quality 3 way ?

[ajc209]

I spoke too soon!

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Ohlins-Racing...-/121024774904

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by MaximeT

Did you guys had the opportunity to try a 5000$ one way Penske versus a 5000$ 3 way JRZ or similar.

Does a race quality 1 way is faster than a top of the line track day quality 3 way ?

Those big boy racecars usually run 4-way setups. 2-way and 3-way are usually the norm unless sanctions tell them otherwise.

[swift996]

I'm stoked for the Penske/Raceseng set-up

[MaximeT]

That probably gonna be my choice too. If price gets too high, I'll go for Nitron 3 way, as I'm in Europe.

[Shark_Bait88]

Originally Posted by CSG David

I suspect it's based on annual agreement terms or what not. Bilstein probably wanted to support more than Ohlins and the switch was made. It's a money game.

Either way, both setups are impressive. If you ever get a chance to drive these shocks, JRZs, Sachs, Penske, etc...they are pretty amazing.

Planning to give the Sachs coilover a try in the next year or two. Unfortunately Sachs, to my knowledge, doesn't have a full-blown track setup for the Toyobaru, but I'm curious to see how the one-way coilover stacks up against the competitors like Ohlins R&T and KW V3. Employee discount FTW!

[Hyper4mance2k]

Last night I had a dream I bought these. I have a serious problem with my addiction to cars.

[MaximeT]

Addiction to race parts is just fine. I'll start worrying when I'll dream about 22 inches wheels and lowered car

[Black Tire]

Originally Posted by Shankenstein

Looked into these. You can order them through Summit as special order.

BSN-F4VSE0079260 - $1,800 ea
BSN-F4VSE0079261 - $1,800 ea
BSN-F4VSE0079262 - $1,300 ea

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/BSN-F4VSE0079260
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/BSN-F4VSE0079261
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/BSN-F4VSE0079262

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And they will even throw in free shipping!

[emirdtm]

Originally Posted by Hyper4mance2k

Last night I had a dream I bought these. I have a serious problem with my addiction to cars.

O yeah buddy I know how you feel oh and P.S I love your quote but I wish it came with a K20 instead of FA20 😀😀

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by Shark_Bait88

Planning to give the Sachs coilover a try in the next year or two. Unfortunately Sachs, to my knowledge, doesn't have a full-blown track setup for the Toyobaru, but I'm curious to see how the one-way coilover stacks up against the competitors like Ohlins R&T and KW V3. Employee discount FTW!

Make it happen. We are always open to developing high quality setups, however, the ability to work with manufacturers with good turnaround time is key to making sure high quality products are offered in a timely manner as well.

[86Tony]

does anyone kno how these MDS compare to JRZ RS Pros?