What coilover? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Shady195 · 06-29-2015, 04:49 PM

Looking to hear from some of the more experienced guys in here. People who daily/track their cars. Some of the Vendors like @CSG Mike who actually have experience with different dampers and setups.

The 10 series I bought a few months ago came with Vaughtland Springs. I hate them.

Looking to put coil overs in my car soon. My car is mostly daily driven, weekend drift/track warrior.

I don't have a lot of money to spend (isnt that the same story with most of us? lol) and I'm looking for a good decent budget coil over that will fit the bill.

The ones I've been looking at..

Fortune Auto 500's
BC BR's
Apexi
BuddyClubs
Tein Flex Z (When they are actually released)

Everyone has difference opinions, I could look up a million different threads with different answers regarding each one of those coilovers so I'm hoping someone with some actual experience, even a vendor who has used these different systems can point me in the right direction.

Again looking for something compliant as a daily driver but will suffice as a weekend drift/track day.

Bergen23 · 06-29-2015, 05:08 PM

I have the 500's with the special bearings, swift springs and rear adjuster helpers. Can't recommend them enough. Before that I had Godspeed mono max coils, and while on the cheaper end, they rode well enough and gave good bang for the buck.

I've heard great things about the powered by max coils as well.

Shady195 · 06-29-2015, 05:43 PM

Ive heard the Max's are VERY VERY stiff from the S13 crowd.

shifter907 · 06-29-2015, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shady195

Ive heard the Max's are VERY VERY stiff from the S13 crowd.

As in Powered By Max?

edit: just saw previous post.
I had their coils on my S13 and they rode like a dream compared to a lot of other coilovers I had test rides in.
I have their coils on my BRZ as well, and they're pretty comfortable. Definitely not spine-jarring stiff, but stiffer than stock.

CSG Mike · 06-29-2015, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shady195

Looking to hear from some of the more experienced guys in here. People who daily/track their cars. Some of the Vendors like @CSG Mike who actually have experience with different dampers and setups.

The 10 series I bought a few months ago came with Vaughtland Springs. I hate them.

Looking to put coil overs in my car soon. My car is mostly daily driven, weekend drift/track warrior.

I don't have a lot of money to spend (isnt that the same story with most of us? lol) and I'm looking for a good decent budget coil over that will fit the bill.

The ones I've been looking at..

Fortune Auto 500's
BC BR's
Apexi
BuddyClubs
Tein Flex Z (When they are actually released)

Everyone has difference opinions, I could look up a million different threads with different answers regarding each one of those coilovers so I'm hoping someone with some actual experience, even a vendor who has used these different systems can point me in the right direction.

Again looking for something compliant as a daily driver but will suffice as a weekend drift/track day.

Just wait for the Flex Z. Current eta is End of Summer.

Tein (Japanese) doesn't really belong in a comparison with Buddy Club (Taiwan) or BC Racing (Taiwan)...

churchx · 06-29-2015, 07:28 PM

And how about a bit higher end/bigger budget ones? I have impression of 90% higher end coilovers being lower then stock even at highest settings.

solidONE · 06-29-2015, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Just wait for the Flex Z. Current eta is End of Summer.

Tein (Japanese) doesn't really belong in a comparison with Buddy Club (Taiwan) or BC Racing (Taiwan)...

Made in Japan does not automatically mean they're better than made in Taiwan. What if I told you HKS or Mugen sells stuff that are not made in Japan but are actually made in Taiwan?

CSG Mike · 06-29-2015, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solidONE

Made in Japan does not automatically mean they're better than made in Taiwan. What if I told you HKS or Mugen sells stuff that are not made in Japan but are actually made in Taiwan?

No, but it's a pretty damn good bet if you're blindly choosing companies that you know nothing about. As a generalization, Japanese quality is superior to Taiwanese quality, and Taiwanese quality is generally superior to Chinese quality. You know this as well as I do, so why are you trying to contest a point that you know is sound?

Of course there are exceptions; Iphones and Galaxy phones coming out of China are excellent, as are electronics coming out of Taiwan, and 90's American cars were completely unreliable.

Shady195 · 06-29-2015, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shifter907

As in Powered By Max?

edit: just saw previous post.
I had their coils on my S13 and they rode like a dream compared to a lot of other coilovers I had test rides in.
I have their coils on my BRZ as well, and they're pretty comfortable. Definitely not spine-jarring stiff, but stiffer than stock.

Yes as in PBM

Which ones are you running? The Comps or the pros?

I've heard fantastic things about the PBM The replacement cartridges are only ~100 a piece. However the ride quality my car being a DD and the many comments ive heard about the PBM's being VERY stiff scare me away.

solidONE · 06-29-2015, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

No, but it's a pretty damn good bet if you're blindly choosing companies that you know nothing about. As a generalization, Japanese quality is superior to Taiwanese quality, and Taiwanese quality is generally superior to Chinese quality. You know this as well as I do, so why are you trying to contest a point that you know is sound?

Of course there are exceptions; Iphones and Galaxy phones coming out of China are excellent, as are electronics coming out of Taiwan, and 90's American cars were completely unreliable.

I'm just saying there are factories in Taiwan that can put stuff out that are better than some Japanese based factories and that there are also stuff people pay big money for thought to be "JDM" but are actually "TDM"... lol My point is you shouldn't use the country of origin, in this case, to determine quality of product. Actual quality of product should determine how you rate quality of product.

churchx · 06-29-2015, 10:23 PM

I'd say that it's too broad generalisation about China too, as these days they can make products of whatever quality customers are willing to pay for. Of course, if most turn to China to cut costs to the stupidest extent possible, of course they'll make cheap knock off crap. It's what is ordered to be made after all. I highly doubt that quality won't be there if customers will be willing to pay for it as much as for products in 'better quality countries (tm)'.

06-29-2015, 04:49 PM	#1
Shady195 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Drives: '13 10 Series FRS #1203 Location: Albany, NY Posts: 850 Thanks: 7 Thanked 386 Times in 221 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	What coilover? Looking to hear from some of the more experienced guys in here. People who daily/track their cars. Some of the Vendors like @CSG Mike who actually have experience with different dampers and setups. The 10 series I bought a few months ago came with Vaughtland Springs. I hate them. Looking to put coil overs in my car soon. My car is mostly daily driven, weekend drift/track warrior. I don't have a lot of money to spend (isnt that the same story with most of us? lol) and I'm looking for a good decent budget coil over that will fit the bill. The ones I've been looking at.. Fortune Auto 500's BC BR's Apexi BuddyClubs Tein Flex Z (When they are actually released) Everyone has difference opinions, I could look up a million different threads with different answers regarding each one of those coilovers so I'm hoping someone with some actual experience, even a vendor who has used these different systems can point me in the right direction. Again looking for something compliant as a daily driver but will suffice as a weekend drift/track day.

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06-29-2015, 05:08 PM	#2
Bergen23 Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Drives: '15 Halo FR-S Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,317 Thanks: 922 Thanked 950 Times in 492 Posts Mentioned: 22 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I have the 500's with the special bearings, swift springs and rear adjuster helpers. Can't recommend them enough. Before that I had Godspeed mono max coils, and while on the cheaper end, they rode well enough and gave good bang for the buck. I've heard great things about the powered by max coils as well.

06-29-2015, 05:43 PM	#3
Shady195 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Drives: '13 10 Series FRS #1203 Location: Albany, NY Posts: 850 Thanks: 7 Thanked 386 Times in 221 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Ive heard the Max's are VERY VERY stiff from the S13 crowd.

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churchx Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Drives: 2014 GT86 Location: Latvia, Riga Posts: 4,335 Thanks: 698 Thanked 2,086 Times in 1,436 Posts Mentioned: 53 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	And how about a bit higher end/bigger budget ones? I have impression of 90% higher end coilovers being lower then stock even at highest settings.

06-29-2015, 10:23 PM	#11
churchx Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Drives: 2014 GT86 Location: Latvia, Riga Posts: 4,335 Thanks: 698 Thanked 2,086 Times in 1,436 Posts Mentioned: 53 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I'd say that it's too broad generalisation about China too, as these days they can make products of whatever quality customers are willing to pay for. Of course, if most turn to China to cut costs to the stupidest extent possible, of course they'll make cheap knock off crap. It's what is ordered to be made after all. I highly doubt that quality won't be there if customers will be willing to pay for it as much as for products in 'better quality countries (tm)'.

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