Motor Trend: 2016 Miata vs 2015 BRZ

[JellyForSale]

Originally Posted by krayzie

How would pop-up headlights pass modern pedestrian safety regulations? Notice how they haven't been around for like the last 15 years. It's hard to even get a low hoodline these days. I'm actually quite impressed at Mazda trying to get around it with the hood pop-up mechanism upon impact.

Good point! I didn't know they were issues with getting them to pass DOT or anything of the sort.

[themadscientist]

Yeah, my FC was fast until I flipped the headlights open and would strain against the seat belt as the car lurched to a stop.

You silly people with you pop-ups, pfft, it's all about the rollovers like my old Opel GT.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

This is why I love the idea of the 4c. It has the performance without the extra weight. Unfortunately I'm not a fan of the looks or lack of manual option.

The 4C STARTS at $53,900...

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

Mazda, why the hell wont you bring back a real RX-7?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because rotary.

RX = Rotary eXperimental

No more rotary, no more RX series.

I'd like to see them create a new higher end sports car regardless of whether it uses a rotary or not.

Any modernized RWD sports coupe from Mazda with the looks and handling performance of the FD RX7 would be incredible, rotary or not.

[Entroper]

Originally Posted by humdizzle

another key buying point is the demographics. if you buy a vette or miata you better be prepared to hang out with 50 year olds at ur next meet.

What's wrong with that, afraid you might learn something?

Nearly everyone who showed up at Tyson's last week to see the ND was in their 20s and 30s, all driving Miatas, with the exception of one FD owner in his 50s. How's that for challenging the stereotype?

[thill]

I owned three generations of RX-7's. Loved them. Loved the rotary (if you maintain them properly they will easily go well over 100K miles with no problems unless you get a lemon). Amazing cars.

But with CAFE standards the rotary is not gonna happen, Mazda is focused on MPG and Skyactiv. Perhaps with a hybrid rotary engine, but that is not gonna be cheap and I don't want a $50K RX-7.

I think our best bet will be to see another Speed3/Speed6, but it won't be lightweight and I doubt it will be RWD.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Because rotary.

RX = Rotary eXperimental

No more rotary, no more RX series.

I'd like to see them create a new higher end sports car regardless of whether it uses a rotary or not.

Any modernized RWD sports coupe from Mazda with the looks and handling performance of the FD RX7 would be incredible, rotary or not.

Basically bringing this back:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3et07_dNNM8"]EUNOS COSMO 20B - YouTube[/ame]


Sorry I misintepreted "higher end" lol!

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

The 4C STARTS at $53,900...

Haha you know the saying, have to pay to play. It's got a full carbon fiber tub, so at least I know where the money is going

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by krayzie

Basically bringing this back:

Sorry I misintepreted "higher end" lol!

except that that is a rotary... lol

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by humdizzle

in general most higher performance cars do gain some weight. adding aero, wider track, more cylinders, turbos, piping for those turbos,bigger rims, bigger tires to fit over those rims, a stiffer chassis to handle the added grip, bigger brake rotors/calipers, cooling ducts, beefier suspension. And of course if you're spending more on a higher model you want a better interior.

to keep the weight down while adding all these things you need to spend some money. just look at the bmw m4 vs 435i. or the 991 gt3 vs carrera. The base model porsche carrera is actually lighter than the track focused GT3.

No kidding. I'm just tired of some people using it as an excuse for a 700-1000lb discrepancy. No.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Haha you know the saying, have to pay to play. It's got a full carbon fiber tub, so at least I know where the money is going

Yeah, CF tub and US spec weighs 400-500lbs more than a MR or Lotus Elise. What a deal at $60k. That fat is the main reason I didn't replace the MR with a 4c even though I followed its development for years and had a deposit on it. No thanks.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by abraxis

Yeah, CF tub and US spec weighs 400-500lbs more than a MR or Lotus Elise. What a deal at $60k. That fat is the main reason I didn't replace the MR with a 4c even though I followed its development for years and had a deposit on it. No thanks.

So buy an Elise then... oh that's right, Lotus can't sell it in the US anymore because it doesn't meet US safety regulations.

[86SPEED]

I didnt read through all 13 pages, But the numbers at the track didnt make sense. I know different days can give different numbers, but my best in a FRS with just a EVO3 catback and everything else stock is a 1:31.6 or .7 it was a couple years ago, and i know Randy has been under :30.0 in a stock FRS.. so im surprised at the lap times that day. it was even as the Miata ran the same day in same conditions, but mine was almost dead heat of summer and the track was "greasy" as some said, but it felt fine to me, i was always happy getting within a second of his first lap record of a FRS :30.8 i believe. So im surprised the BRZ was this "slow" My car is a Auto and it was my 4th or 5th time at the track with Mike Kang assisting me

Hell I think Mike Kang runs faster then :30's in a stock twin

-Thomas

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

So buy an Elise then... oh that's right, Lotus can't sell it in the US anymore because it doesn't meet US safety regulations.

Like I said, I already have a 2100lb MR. I don't need an Elise. I also have the virtue of waiting without spending lots of money on false hope and missed benchmarks. Eventually someone will get it right. So far they haven't.

Pretty much leaning toward the BAC Mono eventually which you CAN buy and drive legally. So yeah, enjoy the Fiat.