F20C performance out of the FA20

[discretion]

I don't have any immediate plans, but I'd like to one day give the FA20 in my FR-S the high revving character of an F20C engine (with the HP bump as well). Obviously, I'd like then to keep the car NA. I just think it suits the character of the car better. FI is great for a certain person, but I like how NA feels, sounds, etc.

Does anyone have any idea how much this would cost? What parts would be required?

Thanks in advance!

[midnight23]

http://elementtuning.com/competition...r-wrx-fa20dit/

[discretion]

Originally Posted by midnight23

http://elementtuning.com/competition...r-wrx-fa20dit/

And not that crazy expensive either..

[raven1231]

Not going to happen then

[DohcTor]

Engine swap bro. The fa20 will never be as alive and engaging as the f20c... Bolt-ons don't react real well to this car either, people seem legitimately happy to hit 200whp which just baffles me.

[celek]

Originally Posted by discretion

I don't have any immediate plans, but I'd like to one day give the FA20 in my FR-S the high revving character of an F20C engine (with the HP bump as well). Obviously, I'd like then to keep the car NA. I just think it suits the character of the car better. FI is great for a certain person, but I like how NA feels, sounds, etc.

Does anyone have any idea how much this would cost? What parts would be required?

Thanks in advance!

You are looking in the realm of $10-12k
My build
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63901

It can be done, do not listed to the naysayers

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by celek

You are looking in the realm of $10-12k
My build
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63901

It can be done, do not listed to the naysayers

he said he wanted to get it done and for it not to be expensive. I think many of us would think 10-12k is indeed expensive.

[celek]

Originally Posted by raven1231

he said he wanted to get it done and for it not to be expensive. I think many of us would think 10-12k is indeed expensive.

Thats my total build with trans gearing carbon fiber driveshaft aluminum flywheel... ect to get the responsiveness out of the car

You see the same pricing with full turbo build, Built block good turbo kit fuel upgrade clutch...
The difference is that with a turbo build you will net more power BUT brake more shit. A NA build when done right can last 100k miles+.

Our Turbo enthusiasts are replacing engines at $2500 each used, Transmissions at $1000 each. NA will not reach the physical mechanical failure limit like turbo does, but I bet you will see a 12 second, high 11 All motor FA20 which is pretty freaking fast!

[celek]

Originally Posted by DohcTor

Engine swap bro. The fa20 will never be as alive and engaging as the f20c... Bolt-ons don't react real well to this car either, people seem legitimately happy to hit 200whp which just baffles me.

I think netting a 20% increase with bolt ons and a tune is pretty respectable, especially when it can be done for around $2000. That's $50 per 1HP.

Putting it into perspective if you wanted a good 450HP FA20 Turbo you will spend at least $10k @ $34 per 1HP. Downfall is at 450HP the transmission will eventually fail, Axles are twigs.. May want to upgrade those too for $1000, definitely need a wider tire then an NA car. Everything starts to compound the pricing upwards

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by celek

Thats my total build with trans gearing carbon fiber driveshaft aluminum flywheel... ect to get the responsiveness out of the car

You see the same pricing with full turbo build, Built block good turbo kit fuel upgrade clutch...
The difference is that with a turbo build you will net more power BUT brake more shit. A NA build when done right can last 100k miles+.

Our Turbo enthusiasts are replacing engines at $2500 each used, Transmissions at $1000 each. NA will not reach the physical mechanical failure limit like turbo does, but I bet you will see a 12 second, high 11 All motor FA20 which is pretty freaking fast!

let me know when this happens...People are replacing motors on FI you're right on that, mainly due to using a stock block though. Those who are built I really haven't seen having issues, and even less issues when running realistic boost levels.

[drewbot]

I like how it seems there are more and more N/A discussions in the past week. Hopefully @celek will come up with some good results for the FA20

[celek]

Originally Posted by raven1231

let me know when this happens...People are replacing motors on FI you're right on that, mainly due to using a stock block though. Those who are built I really haven't seen having issues, and even less issues when running realistic boost levels.

Exactly realistic levels, So they dump $7000~ into the car for 280WHP

Originally Posted by drewbot

I like how it seems there are more and more N/A discussions in the past week. Hopefully @celek will come up with some good results for the FA20

Unfortunately since I am not made of money this build will be a LONG process. Its already been over a year...

[drewbot]

Originally Posted by celek

Unfortunately since I am not made of money this build will be a LONG process. Its already been over a year...

Oh I hear you....without the development costs of a company that is looking to sell their kit, it is a lot of time/money

[celek]

Originally Posted by drewbot

Oh I hear you....without the development costs of a company that is looking to sell their kit, it is a lot of time/money

I may end up doing that in the end... at least offering it up, but that's probably a good year down the road. Plus I would want to document and test/prove the crap out of it before saying it would be ready.

The issue here is I am funding other companies to make new products they can release, except I am not telling them the rest of the info involved,