Sports cars sales compared...

[TJ213]

Originally Posted by Ddreder

I wonder why the s2000 didnt sell very well? Besides being a roadster it seems like the ultimate driving car of the bunch yet they didnt sell.. It must have been the price point I guess.

The S2000 is the only car there with no automatic offered. That may be a good part of it.

[F3RGY68]

In general I can't relate to anyone that would use this as a basis of which is better; not that it was the original intention. Three of the five cars were available as convertibles, and the RX-8 seemed more practical with the extra suicide-doors. There's also a much bigger gap lumping the 350/370z together than the brz/frs. This is however good general data for the trends of niche affordable sports cars.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Unless OP is psychic he can't deconstruct the data being sourced.

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html

In any case it's not like the two generations overlapped by a significant amount, they updated the model, I'm not seeing how that skews anything aside from the total units sold graph. Might as well separate AP1 and AP2 S2000's, pre/post 2007 RX-8's, the FR-S and BRZ, and include the NB Miata as a separate class as well.

To the OP, image says ND Miata, should probably say NC.

Oh I wasn't criticizing the OP in the least. I look through the graphs in Good Car Bad Car fairly often and sometimes wonder just why they grouped things the way they did.

[AsianStyle]

Looking through the data. I'm not sure why so many media outlets talk about how the twins are doomed and tanking in sales?

Compared to camrys and corollas yes, but obviously not compared to other niche sports cars.

[dnieves]

Originally Posted by Ddreder

I wonder why the s2000 didnt sell very well? Besides being a roadster it seems like the ultimate driving car of the bunch yet they didnt sell.. It must have been the price point I guess.

Also I agree about splitting up the the 350z and 370z. They are totally different cars and the car totals are very skewed being together.

Good car except two seaters are impractical, hideous outdated interior, not promoted enough by Honda after the first year and price point too high.

[Tromatic]

Proof that the "refresh" will have 450 HP to prop up sales.

[Bonburner]

Fun to look at graph

Originally Posted by strat61caster

To the OP, image says ND Miata, should probably say NC.

thats the first thing i noticed

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by Ddreder

I wonder why the s2000 didnt sell very well? Besides being a roadster it seems like the ultimate driving car of the bunch yet they didnt sell.. It must have been the price point I guess.

Too expensive. I also recall many saying it was a torqueless wonder that sucked for daily driving. Sound familiar? Like others, I also didn't like the interior.

[bodayguy]

I think its kinda sad to see that the 370Z didn't bump sales back to the 350 levels and it continues to lag. Nissan needs to step it up.

[themadscientist]

Nissan is lost forever. Don't expect anything from them but expensive gizmo-laden uber Rs and bizarre concepts that satisfy nobody and are never going to get built. Mazda is about the only company still trying to figure out how to make a profitable affordable sports car. Get while the gettings good and snap up the BRZ or FRS of your desires and get ready for the carpocalypse.

[thill]

I think Ford is stepping up more than any company right now. Mustang GT is a big improvement, Focus ST and Fiesta ST are really good cars for the money. Focus RS will most likely be my next car if it can live up to the hype.

The fact that Ford is offering performance parts and tunes installed by an authorized dealer and you still get your warranty is huge too. They are stepping up and most companies are caught flat footed.

[Jegan_V]

Originally Posted by AsianStyle

Looking through the data. I'm not sure why so many media outlets talk about how the twins are doomed and tanking in sales?

Compared to camrys and corollas yes, but obviously not compared to other niche sports cars.

The FRS/BRZ only look good compared to the likes of other Japanese sports cars as its the only one that has some practicality combined with low price and conventional technology that the others don't offer all of those criteria. Article writers however will add the Mustang, Camaro and Challenger numbers and at that point the Toyobaru numbers look very bad with regards to North American numbers.

[themadscientist]

Ford has been a standout since back when the economy went into a tailspin. GM went down on their knees after that bailout like a well, choose your own metaphor for slurping on some guy's unit for cash and keep it in your head. This is a family establishment!

[AsianStyle]

Originally Posted by Jegan_V

The FRS/BRZ only look good compared to the likes of other Japanese sports cars as its the only one that has some practicality combined with low price and conventional technology that the others don't offer all of those criteria. Article writers however will add the Mustang, Camaro and Challenger numbers and at that point the Toyobaru numbers look very bad with regards to North American numbers.

You are absolutely right about the American muscle car numbers, but I don't think Toyota was really trying to take sales away from those buyers.