Brake Warranty Question...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

I have 36K miles on my original rotors and pads. They're fine.



Yep, the problem is you, not the car. You can't expect to beat the shit out of the car and have no consequences.

You're also dishonest. Taking the rotors in by themselves so that the dealer won't know you used aftermarket pads in an attempt to get free parts is fraud. Besides that, if the rotors suck so bad, why would you want another set of the same thing?

I think it's hilarious that you're willing to pay for track days but cry like a little girl when expected to pay for the parts you break when you "drive hard." Boo hoo.

Come on Extra quit mincing words and tell us what you really think.

I personally would have trust issues with any dealer that simply swapped out the parts without investigating the root cause of the issue anyway. If they ware willing to do that then they are willing to do other shady things.

[Scenic Driver]

I just removed the original rotors this weekend, they had over 60k miles with Ferodo 2500 pads and I did 8 track days with them.

[Bergen23]

Jesus fucking Christ. You want to warranty a part that fail early because of non OEM parts you added to your braking system? Are you fucking kidding me? People like you who try to pull a fast one on the warranty department are part of the reason dealing with warranty issues is such a pain in the ****.

Edit: like also mentioned, you acknowledge driving hard is the issue. My car is slammed, if I do any damage to it because of being slammed, say like cracking an oil pan. I won't cry to scion about the oil pan being defective.

Double edit: you also didn't give all the info in the first post. Bravo OP. Way to omit that you drive hard and run non stock parts that cause premature wear on your rotors.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Uplink

Hence, bringing the rotors in without the pads to avoid the whole debate.

PFC 08's are very mild on a NORMAL rotor. PFC 01's will wear them down quickly. I also know numerous people running 08's on other types of street cars with no appreciable increase in rotor wear over stock pads. I guess that's what you get with a $50 rotor.

What is the quality control on these pads? Have they been extensively tested? What is the warranty on them?

Unless you can prove everything on paper via credible sources (i.e. not the internet), and want to bring your car in, no reasonable dealership will just swap out parts based on what you are saying.

Originally Posted by Uplink

I know they are wear items, but some warranties cover that. My buddy's BMW 335i covered brakes AND the first clutch. Figured it couldn't hurt to ask.

That is not a warranty, that is a service guarantee. BMW offered free maintenance on all items (including wear items) up to 50k miles as a promotion.

http://www.bmwusa.com/ultimateservice

The BMW Maintenance Program covers all factory recommended maintenance as determined by the Condition Based Service (CBS) system. Additional specific items that need replacement due to normal wear and tear, and that are not covered by the original New Vehicle Limited Warranty - such as brake pads, brake rotors, and wiper blade inserts - are included, provided wear and tear exceeds BMW wear limits. Any applicable adjustments required due to normal operating conditions are also included.

-alex

[Ddreder]

I know how you feel OP.. The stock pads and rotors suck.. I have already glazed my rotors and killed the pads by doing a couple of downhill runs. It was even worse on my miata.. I swear they almost caught fire lol anyways I plan on getting some EBC yellow pads or the Hawk HPS pads for the frs. Although I am debating about just going Hawk HP+ on both cars. I would rather chew up rotors than glaze them.

[Uplink]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

I have 36K miles on my original rotors and pads. They're fine.

Yep, the problem is you, not the car. You can't expect to beat the shit out of the car and have no consequences.

You're also dishonest. Taking the rotors in by themselves so that the dealer won't know you used aftermarket pads in an attempt to get free parts is fraud. Besides that, if the rotors suck so bad, why would you want another set of the same thing?

I think it's hilarious that you're willing to pay for track days but cry like a little girl when expected to pay for the parts you break when you "drive hard." Boo hoo.

No, you missed the whole point. I'm willing to pay for the rotors because I'm kinda painted into a corner (don't want them, need them) but not get gouged a dealer price because there isn't time to get them for the next track day. That money would be better spent towards an upgraded brake setup, which again there isn't time to get. Also, I was only going to do that (bring in rotors) if they were covered because I don't want them working on my car. They couldn't even properly affix an inspection sticker (put it right in my line of sight over my registration instead of next to and got mad when I asked them to fix it. But that's a story for another time), why would I trust them with my brakes? If I were dishonest, I would do the pad swap, which I said I wasn't. I guess the whole thing is moot anyway since I just sourced $35 rotors which only have to bridge the gap for the AP Racing kit in a month or two.

And, the reason for my shock is that they literally only have 2 days at the Glen for an instructor school (running 7/10ths at best), 6 Auto-X runs (runs, not days) and commuting (15 miles a day round trip) totaling 4,600miles in 9 months and they are destroyed. I have NEVER seen that happen and I've run much harsher pads on heavier cars with inadequate brakes. People on this forum have gotten significantly more track days and cumulative mileage out of a set than I did. That's where the real shock came from.

[Uplink]

Originally Posted by Scenic Driver

I just removed the original rotors this weekend, they had over 60k miles with Ferodo 2500 pads and I did 8 track days with them.

See Extra, this is exactly what I was talking about.

[strat61caster]

Bleh you guys are being a bit overly harsh about certain things, but yes, OP should eat the cost, you have to pay to play, it's a wear item like tires, clutch, oil, coolant, etc.

I bet you're the only person in this thread to actually measure the wear on your rotors, I bet half the people in here are out of spec, myself included as I'm at 36k miles, stock pads are probably going to be dead at 50k and I've been running Carbotech XP10's at the track (4x) and AutoX (4x). But the rotors look fine and aside from looking used I doubt I could tell the difference on a new set, the wear limit after all is like 2mm or 0.1"

You can probably run the rotors you have without even noticing, like I said I bet most don't actually measure and just go off of looks and are way past due that drive it hard.

Again, myself included.

And shame on you for thinking you could fool us and leave out critical information. Might as well have asked about warrantying the clutch and then posting videos of drag strip runs with you dumping the clutch dozens of times.

[Uplink]

Originally Posted by Bergen23

Jesus fucking Christ. You want to warranty a part that fail early because of non OEM parts you added to your braking system? Are you fucking kidding me? People like you who try to pull a fast one on the warranty department are part of the reason dealing with warranty issues is such a pain in the ****.

Edit: like also mentioned, you acknowledge driving hard is the issue. My car is slammed, if I do any damage to it because of being slammed, say like cracking an oil pan. I won't cry to scion about the oil pan being defective.

Double edit: you also didn't give all the info in the first post. Bravo OP. Way to omit that you drive hard and run non stock parts that cause premature wear on your rotors.

So dumb. These are EXCESSIVELY worn for how they were driven. I've been driving like this for the better part of 25 years and have NEVER seen this kind of destruction (and I've seen pads go down to the rivets and not score the rotors as deeply as these are worn.

Again, didn't say I was actually doing it, just weighing options.

We're not even going to acknowledge the argument as it's completely counterproductive.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Uplink

Again, didn't say I was actually doing it, just weighing options.

Here's your options:

1) take car into dealer and see if they will warranty
2) buy new rotors on your own via source of your choosing

Your original proposition of just bringing in rotors is absurd, at best.

-alex

[Frishkorn]

Originally Posted by Uplink

So I pretty much know the answer to this question but, my front rotors are shot. The question is a 2 parter. 1) are rotors covered under the standard warranty (car is less than a year old) and 2) if they are covered, what are the chances I could just bring my registration and the bad rotors in to a Scion dealership and exchange them with a set of new ones?

I REALLY don't want to drop it off for service, I like doing all my own work on the car. Would just like to not have to pay for the parts if they're covered.

Unless you're working for another shop and are a certified mechanic, doing your own work is not part of the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act, and you may void your warranty.

[Frishkorn]

Originally Posted by N1rve

So.... you're saying that by using Performance pads on stock rotors (which is known to wear out rotors faster since they aren't stock)...the rotors are toast.

I'm going to say you won't get warranty coverage since you modified the braking system which caused excessive brake wear.

Just once I'd love it if people would stop trying to scam companies for doing things beyond what the company expected the product to be used for.

Grow up, be a man, and pay for your own damaged parts that YOU wore out prematurely. My FR-S has 19,500 miles and has been through several auto-cross events as well as back-road drives and all is well with the stock parts.

[Uplink]

Originally Posted by Ddreder

I know how you feel OP.. The stock pads and rotors suck.. I have already glazed my rotors and killed the pads by doing a couple of downhill runs. It was even worse on my miata.. I swear they almost caught fire lol anyways I plan on getting some EBC yellow pads or the Hawk HPS pads for the frs. Although I am debating about just going Hawk HP+ on both cars. I would rather chew up rotors than glaze them.

If you're planning on doing track time, skip the HPS's. HP+, maybe, depending on how advanced you are. Last time using HP+ on Lime Rock (different car with better brake system and cooling) by the end of each 20 minute session I lost 4-6mph top speed on the front straight and had to brake by the 6 marker (instead of the 2) to make turn 1. It was BAD and that was on Kumho XS's, not even slicks. Changed to PFC 08's and never looked back. Have held for VIR, the Glen, Thompson, Lime Rock, Pocono SE as well as street driving. Never a hiccup (except on the FR-S stock rotors).

[drewbot]

Buys pads worth more than blank rotors

Complains aggressive pads wears out rotors