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SUB-FT86 · 05-22-2012, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

First-gen Tib, so no V6, but it is 200 lbs lighter than the FR-S. Still, it's only 140 hp/133 torques - so the laugh is on Toyota. BTW the Tib 1/4 mile time comes from a R&T comparo test - just checked it, it's conservative as their 0-60 was 8.3, the worst I've seen for the Tib.

Starting to get cold feet re my deposit. I have one longer test drive coming on an MT to make up my mind, plan to do a highway drive to check power is adequate (hopefully without my 250-lb salesman on board!

).

I have a feeling the manual will wow you better. I'm starting to jump on the manual transmission bandwagon now. But if this car was a 2.5l 4 cylinder or bigger it would be a different story.

Dave-ROR · 05-22-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I have a feeling the manual will wow you better. I'm starting to jump on the manual transmission bandwagon now. But if this car was a 2.5l 4 cylinder or bigger it would be a different story.

:happy0180:

Had to quote this just because I never thought I'd see you write that

SUB-FT86 · 05-22-2012, 02:52 PM

Its the cheaper and much quicker option. Its like having your cake and eating it too.

suzuka · 05-23-2012, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by yajin

I just had a chance to watch the full version of the TV program of this one,

Where did you download this program? I've yet to see links pop up for this show.

merlin2111 · 05-23-2012, 01:05 PM

That was like reading an FRS comic book! Great info and well done, thank you for putting in the time to do all of that. I am a little confused though, so the 17's with sticky tires posted the best lap times and had the best feedback yet he would go with 18's for time attack? Why?

yajin · 05-23-2012, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by merlin2111

That was like reading an FRS comic book! Great info and well done, thank you for putting in the time to do all of that. I am a little confused though, so the 17's with sticky tires posted the best lap times and had the best feedback yet he would go with 18's for time attack? Why?

Here is the summary of all the results. These can help understand why Tsuchiya chose 18" for circuit attack and 17" for gymkhana.

1. Circuit time attack
Stock 86: 1'46"071
Stock 86 w/ 17" 215: 1'43"136
Stock 86 w/ 18" 235: 1'42"984 <- best
=> Tsuchiya said I conclude that 18" is better for time attack and 17" is for balanced driving.....since there was a bit under-steering w/ 18".

2. 0-400m attack
Stock 86 w/ 18" 235: 14"855
TRD w/ 18" 225: 14"615 <- best
HKS(AT) w/ 18" 225: 15"953

3. Gymkhana
Stock 86 w/ 17" 235: 52"528 <- best
TRD w/ 18" 225: 52"668
HKS(AT) w/ 18" 225: 52"630
# I guess this result truly depended on the drivers' skill difference....

4. Battle in the circuit
1st: TRD (best lap: 1'42"802@lap 3)
2nd: Stock 86 w/ 18" (best lap: 1'43"439@lap 3)
3rd: HKS(AT) (best lap: 1'44"183@lap 3)

Gardus@Supersprint · 05-24-2012, 04:05 AM

Basically these tests means that the stock car is fine, just need better tyres, 17" or 18" is almost the same for the common driver.

I'd like to hear some comment about the steering feel with 17" and 18".

Sasquachulator · 05-24-2012, 06:40 AM

Im wondering if Tsuchiya would have done better if he went with slightly narrower 225 18's like on the TRD instead of the 235 18's he was using.....

RaceR · 05-28-2012, 12:13 PM

Thanks for posting yajin!
Great work and interesting results!

PMok · 07-07-2012, 06:06 PM

I didn't see that anyone posted this video yet... just saw it on Youtube in all its glory.

thank you yaijin for the translations though, very informative...

quik1987 · 07-07-2012, 06:17 PM

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE4Q3tsTW2A"]TOYOTA 86 and SUBARU BRZ - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hABzHIAfH8g"]TOYOTA 86 2012 TRD HKS - YouTube[/ame]

harajukukei · 07-07-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by yajin

Just updated the last part on the circuit battle. Actually, there is one more thing regarding BRZ's GT300 race w/ some interviews to the director and the drivers. I'll skip this part for now....

Now, I am watching this!

please rip/upload a torrent and share!!

i2ex · 07-07-2012, 06:48 PM

thankyou so much for the translation

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philstar · 07-07-2012, 08:29 PM

Thank you so much Yajin for taking the time to do this! I saw the video previously but to finally understand everything that was being said was extremely informative.

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