The end of tuning: Car Companies Say Home Repairs Are 'Legally Problematic'

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

If you read the comments at the link, you'll notice they want that to be illegal too. They want it to be against the law to modify the software of the car, in any way.

ETA: LOL, even backing up your stock ROM with an OFT would be a violation according to your good corporate friend of Obama, GM.

This is not a partisan issue. This an offensive (and IMO a smart) move by the EFF to ensure individuals have the freedom to modify software in their cars. This DMCA exemption review is done every 3 years as part of a regular process.

Automakers via "The Alliance for Global Automakers" (which includes 12 automakers including both Toyota & Subaru, not just GM) have responded (also as is part of the process). The automakers response has clarified that their position is about more about loss of potential revenue and not so much safety.

The US Copyright office will make its' decision based off the EFF's petition and the response by all interested parties. This whole process has little to nothing do with the executive branch. Your response is just another example of how conditioned many people in this country to play team sports on important issues. What people can do is try to understand the issue and then also respond either via supporting the EFF (if you support their position) or if you feel differently respond to the U.S. Copyright Office individually as an interested party on your position.

If you're talking about the auto bail-out that included GM that you want to pin on one political party, I suggest you read this in regards to the bailout.

...The books are closed on the program because the Treasury, on Dec. 19, sold its final 11.4 percent stake in Ally, the Detroit-based auto lender and bank-holding company formerly known as GMAC. The bailouts began in December 2008 under President Bush with $25 billion in aid to GM, Chrysler and their lending arms. Obama added about $55 billion to the total — and $5 billion for a separate auto supplier support program.
In 2012, Bush defended his decision to save the automakers.


"I'd do it again," Bush told thousands of the nation's auto dealers, explaining approving a $700 billion bailout fund used to rescue banks, insurers and automakers. "I didn't want there to be 21 percent unemployment."


Bush said he believes in the free market and under normal conditions, automakers and other businesses should have been allowed to fail. "If you make a bad decision, you ought to pay," Bush said. "Sometimes, circumstances get in the way of philosophy."

Once again, not a partisan issue. Don't be fooled.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...lout/25950819/

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

This is not a partisan issue. This an offensive (and IMO a smart) move by the EFF to ensure individuals have the freedom to modify software in their cars. This DMCA exemption review is done every 3 years as part of a regular process.

Yes, I know that, thank you.

Automakers via "The Alliance for Global Automakers" (which includes 12 automakers including both Toyota & Subaru, not just GM) have responded (also as is part of the process). The automakers response has clarified that their position is about more about loss of potential revenue and not so much safety.

So what, the result is the same. You become a criminal subject to the DMCA at the stroke of a pen. I've flashed my ECU, and I have not cost the automakers a freakin' dime. Very odd defense of the AGA's position coming from someone who seems to hate corporate profiteering!

The US Copyright office will make its' decision based off the EFF's petition and the response by all interested parties. This whole process has little to nothing do with the executive branch.

No kidding?

Your response is just another example of how conditioned many people in this country to play team sports on important issues. What people can do is try to understand the issue and then also respond either via supporting the EFF (if you support their position) or if you feel differently respond to the U.S. Copyright Office individually as an interested party on your position.

If you're talking about the auto bail-out that included GM that you want to pin on one political party, I suggest you read this in regards to the bailout.

Once again, not a partisan issue. Don't be fooled.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...lout/25950819/

How the hell can you read that article and conclude it was not partisan is well beyond my understanding. Regardless, I was not talking about the bailout, I was referring to your dislike of legislation by and for evil corporations. GM is a poster child for that. And WTF does "team sports" mean? Why do you hate democracy and its associated political parties who support (or oppose) issues and ideology they agree (or disagree) with? I suspect you are just a bit farther left than Liz Warren. Is "team sports" a new buzzword I've missed?

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

True. However, I am fully fed up with having to do that, when hanging a 'crat from a tree would be so much easier.

really?

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

really?

Would you prefer defenestration? You are confusing. On one hand you hate the state of our government and its corporate-sponsored stooges, yet seem to have a problem with doing away with them. Be honest, you only dislike the stooges who are not on your "team".

[DohcTor]

Conservative ideology is a mental illness

[Target70]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

True. However, I am fully fed up with having to do that, when hanging a 'crat from a tree would be so much easier.

I am fed up with it as well, and it will only get harder now that the government has taken control of the internet. But, while I completely agree with the sentiment, It only works if you are in a position of power, or have the ability to sway very large portions of public with your actions. As that is not the current case, it would be suicide, and only result in the loss of one of the few people willing to fight back against tyranny. It would also result in martyring the politician, which would lead to a crackdown on the freedoms you used to create your Christmas ornament. Outlaw trees, rope, more surveillance, etc.. Only when enough of the public is swayed to your cause can any real change happen, which sucks as because democracy is despotic. As an example look at our history of persecution. From, prohibition, to Black rights, to women rights, to gay rights, to pot legalization. None of them have changed from violence, and may people have had to suffer for decades and many to die while waiting for the masses to start to realize the harm being caused by using the government to force others to live according to their view of propriety. That isn't to say I am against self defense either, only you have to bide your time and pick your battles.

As for what DAEMANO was saying about "team sports", I believe he is saying that the Dems, and Rebubs are all on the same team, They may be wearing different jerseys, and throwing the ball(attention/power) back and forth, but they are both carrying the ball toward the same goal. In his eyes, I believe he sees you blaming the Democrats alone, and just falling into their trap of picking sides in a game where both teams loose but not before screwing all the fans. I agree with the concept, but I differ in that I believe voting is also part of the same game, and I didn't see you take sides, only point out that you disliked what the Dems were doing.

Originally Posted by DohcTor

Conservative ideology is a mental illness

in what way? please, I'm curious. He is passionate, and impotent in his rage. When it comes down to it the only difference between conservative ideology and liberal ideology, is in the situations it is ok to assault, and steal from others.
A typical conservative viewpoint is that it is perfectly fine to steal from, and imprison a person for consuming something they don't want you to.
A typical liberal viewpoint is that it is perfectly fine to steal from, and imprison a person for not donating to someone they want you to.

you could go down the list on almost every issue, but it all equals out to the same thing, If you authorize the government to exercise force against people according to your moral bias, then when the next person get's in office, they will use that authority in any way they deem appropriate. And you might not like that outcome.
In the words of Joshua, the only winning move is not to play.

[rlpaul]

Sounds like a reporter was talking to someone's legal department.....

You'd be surprised how many items legal departments file that go nowhere.

[jack43]

The encryption on the current 981 Cayman ecu is so good that noone has an aftermarket flash yet, after a couple years of trying. We can enjoy a Toyobaru ECU design that's either primitive, or generous to tuners.

[RFB]

Interesting thread ! - a harbinger of things to come (check out CANUCK OZ and LIMEYLAND laws).

As gov't and corporate pigs remove civil rights, (faster in the socialist countries above, citizens (not subjects) react by ways and means. They find them, then exercise their liberties (as in torrents, ECU's etc.).

FTG is now a reaction to erosion of liberty by the terrorist excuse.
Seems y'all did this once in Boston Harbor a couple of hundred years ago.

This is the most important thread on this forum - OOPS ! Forum Rools
WE'ALL TALKIN POLITICS !

Outta here ---------

[fang_gt86]

Originally Posted by eggncheese

Interesting indeed. If they can crack serial and product keys for Microsoft and the likes, then it will only be a matter of time before any "block" becomes cracked. They can't stop us!

It's the endless cycle of the bullet vs. the bullet-proof vest, in the hacking world.

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by DohcTor

Conservative ideology is a mental illness

Ahh. An Obamalo Democrat today is either willfully ignorant or an active enemy of the US as it is today. You show as being from CA, so that's not surprising. I'd rather be a bit nuts, thanks.

ETA: Warren or Clinton? Now there you have the party of mental illness.

[HunterGreene]

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by Target70

As for what DAEMANO was saying about "team sports", I believe he is saying that the Dems, and Rebubs are all on the same team, They may be wearing different jerseys, and throwing the ball(attention/power) back and forth, but they are both carrying the ball toward the same goal. In his eyes, I believe he sees you blaming the Democrats alone, and just falling into their trap of picking sides in a game where both teams loose but not before screwing all the fans. I agree with the concept, but I differ in that I believe voting is also part of the same game, and I didn't see you take sides, only point out that you disliked what the Dems were doing.

If that what he was getting at, I agree they all suck. This current government in particular.

A typical conservative viewpoint is that it is perfectly fine to steal from, and imprison a person for consuming something they don't want you to.

Yet it's odd, in the last seven years they have done nothing aimed at me.

A typical liberal viewpoint is that it is perfectly fine to steal from, and imprison a person for not donating to someone they want you to.

In the last seven years, every time I turn around I need to worry about something being taxed or banned by these clowns.

you could go down the list on almost every issue, but it all equals out to the same thing, If you authorize the government to exercise force against people according to your moral bias, then when the next person get's in office, they will use that authority in any way they deem appropriate. And you might not like that outcome.
In the words of Joshua, the only winning move is not to play.

We can talk all we want about voting. Did you get to vote for the clowns who are going to make this decision? I didn't.

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

Gone a bit beyond that. I'll admit being a conservative (not R) might call into question my thought process, but assumes I still have some. Being a Democrat today implies no thought process at all.