Are we spoiled?

[akahenry]

I agree with OP. I still love my car even after nearly two years of ownership, however over the course of ownership, I have found an issue with my transmission (shit grinds whenever I aggressively shift up or down into 5th) and the thin paint. Other than that, I enjoy driving the car as much as the first time I test drove one. Maintenance on our cars is easy as hell and this is coming from a not mechanically inclined individual!

[spicyricecake]

Originally Posted by humdizzle

This

Take it from me OP. power is a nice thing to have.. but it will never be enough if you keep going down that road. Why do you need power? to be faster than the next guy? trust me there will always be somebody faster. Are those 3-4 seconds of pulling past the other guy really what you bought a car for?

says the guy driving a GTR

lol!

[Harbinger of Darkness]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

I don't have any complaints about my BRZ, other than I can't justify owning 2.

Do what I did and get one for the wife too.

[JS + BRZ]

Originally Posted by Harbinger of Darkness

Do what I did and get one for the wife too.

LOL I've been actually trying to do this..

[ls1ac]

I am with the GTR guy, there is ALWAYS some one faster. For a DD this is an outstanding choice. I love to work on cars and drive them. That is both on the track and on the street. The fast cars give you about 3 seconds of WOT then you are looking around for the MAN unless you are at the track. In this car my right foot has intimate knowledge of the floor. I shift at red line a great deal of the time and break and turn hard. I LOVE IT!!! Yes I did add some power but more because I could than really needed. I have less than 5K into tune and hardware, so not sure where the 10K is coming from. Oh, even in pure stock mode a tune will make a world of difference in driving pleasure.

[spicyricecake]

Originally Posted by ls1ac

I am with the GTR guy, there is ALWAYS some one faster. For a DD this is an outstanding choice. I love to work on cars and drive them. That is both on the track and on the street. The fast cars give you about 3 seconds of WOT then you are looking around for the MAN unless you are at the track. In this car my right foot has intimate knowledge of the floor. I shift at red line a great deal of the time and break and tune hard. I LOVE IT!!! Yes I did add some power but more because I could than really needed. I have less than 5K into tune and hardware, so not sure where the 10K is coming from. Oh, even in pure stock mode a tune will make a world of difference in driving pleasure.

A lot of FI research I've read showed about 5~6k for the kit, and then 4k for install, bigger brakes, new clutch, oil catch/cooler, etc etc.

[ls1ac]

If you are not tracking the car then all the extras are probably not needed. I was talking a well used and liked DD. I have used this car at the track with no issues. Well I did put on a different set of break pads and tires but that was it. If you are setting up a track car then multiply the 10K by 4 to 10 depending on how badly you want to win. There is a weakest link problem that applies to cars, drive it until it breaks then make that part better you may never need the clutch or the oversized breaks or even the cooling. Start with the critical part and work into it.
I am not trying to discourage but rather encourage your efforts.
I do all most all of my own work so maybe labor is the difference. Or perhaps prices have gone up in the last two years. I found that I could trade computer work for dyno time, be inventive.
Many times there will be a club or individual in your area that will help with your install for a six pack and a good dinner.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Koa

Respectively speaking the power levels of the outgoing EJ and the new FADIT are a wash.. subi reports a 3hp and 14ftlbs crank increase from the switchover, yet the new '15s are around 60 pounds heavier.

drive the WRX for a few weeks and you'll be like.. shoot this thing is slow.

boost is fun but the butt dyno goes crazy when one watches the boost gauge flutter upwards, along with all the racket and noise associated. I love FI, love my bugeye pushing the limits of its td04 (18 psi), but good lord how stark are the differences in overall driving feel and characteristic, to me and my e-opinion, strike the 86 as a clear winner in that arena

Originally Posted by humdizzle

This

Take it from me OP. power is a nice thing to have.. but it will never be enough if you keep going down that road. Why do you need power? to be faster than the next guy? trust me there will always be somebody faster. Are those 3-4 seconds of pulling past the other guy really what you bought a car for?

Originally Posted by ls1ac

I am with the GTR guy, there is ALWAYS some one faster. For a DD this is an outstanding choice. I love to work on cars and drive them. That is both on the track and on the street. The fast cars give you about 3 seconds of WOT then you are looking around for the MAN unless you are at the track. In this car my right foot has intimate knowledge of the floor. I shift at red line a great deal of the time and break and tune hard. I LOVE IT!!! Yes I did add some power but more because I could than really needed. I have less than 5K into tune and hardware, so not sure where the 10K is coming from. Oh, even in pure stock mode a tune will make a world of difference in driving pleasure.

Grouped these because I enjoyed your refreshingly candid statements. Thank you.

[JS + BRZ]

Originally Posted by ls1ac

If you are not tracking the car then all the extras are probably not needed. I was talking a well used and liked DD. I have used this car at the track with no issues. Well I did put on a different set of break pads and tires but that was it. If you are setting up a track car then multiply the 10K by 4 to 10 depending on how badly you want to win. There is a weakest link problem that applies to cars, drive it until it breaks then make that part better you may never need the clutch or the oversized breaks or even the cooling. Start with the critical part and work into it.
I am not trying to discourage but rather encourage your efforts.
I do all most all of my own work so maybe labor is the difference. Or perhaps prices have gone up in the last two years. I found that I could trade computer work for dyno time, be inventive.
Many times there will be a club or individual in your area that will help with your install for a six pack and a good dinner.

Truth!

[Pkush]

Originally Posted by ls1ac

If you are not tracking the car then all the extras are probably not needed. I was talking a well used and liked DD. I have used this car at the track with no issues. Well I did put on a different set of break pads and tires but that was it. If you are setting up a track car then multiply the 10K by 4 to 10 depending on how badly you want to win. There is a weakest link problem that applies to cars, drive it until it breaks then make that part better you may never need the clutch or the oversized breaks or even the cooling. Start with the critical part and work into it.
I am not trying to discourage but rather encourage your efforts.
I do all most all of my own work so maybe labor is the difference. Or perhaps prices have gone up in the last two years. I found that I could trade computer work for dyno time, be inventive.
Many times there will be a club or individual in your area that will help with your install for a six pack and a good dinner.

Are you far from IL in WI? I'm not sure if you are a fan of meeting other owners, but we've got a big group here in NW burbs of Chicago.

[Braces]

"It will never have enough power until I can spin the wheels at the end of the straightaway in high gear". Mark Donohue. RIP.

[xxBrun0xx]

Originally Posted by spicyricecake

The clutch was a stiff one though and had lots of margin of error and was very forgiving. That was an interesting experience since we have to be pretty accurate/precise with our clutch.

The number of people who don't know that our clutches can be fixed in 10 minutes for $0 is just amazing. Pull the stupid spring and lower it and you'll be in clutch-pedal heaven.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84622
(Useless spring removal)

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8040
(Lowering pedal height)

You're welcome

[bcj]

Yes, you've spoiled.
Mind stepping into the back yard please?
The dogs are sneezing so loud it might wake up the trunk monkey.

[spicyricecake]

Originally Posted by xxBrun0xx

The number of people who don't know that our clutches can be fixed in 10 minutes for $0 is just amazing. Pull the stupid spring and lower it and you'll be in clutch-pedal heaven.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84622
(Useless spring removal)

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8040
(Lowering pedal height)

You're welcome

I've actually gotten so used to my clutch I don't really want to do this.