2015 Civic Type-R

[torqdork]

Considering relative currency valuations, the GB built Type R pricing could favor US buyers.

Then there's this:

10 Sports Cars the Civic Type R Beat Around the Nürburgring

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...t-around-the-n

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

Not on FWD it doesn't. Of course it can be made to work and work well but in an apples to apples comparison, having a dynamic camber curve provides numerous benefits over the macs.

The key to FWD is making the front tires work and making them last and macs, when compared to double wishbones, create an initial handicap in both those categories that are more difficult to overcome in chassis setup and when it's all about maximizing potential of every part, the doubles do a better job with the contact patch than macs in almost every category, especially those that count.

On RWD, due to the nature of the car setup, the performance delta between macs and doubles is much less so it matters little. So macs are not always fails... they're just fails for this FWD race car driver.

I think it's still important on RWD cars too. I mean, practically all racecars that aren't involved in an off-road sport or drifting use double wishbones for a reason...

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by FRSupra

As well as Honda dominated Formula 1 with their turbo engines, when I think Honda, I think high revving natural aspirated V-TEC.

That's still the way they captivate me.

But high revving V-TEC (or VVL in general, such as on the SR20VET frankensteins out there in Silvias) is even better with a turbo. High RPMs and a head that flows like no other are the best things to pair with a turbo!!!

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

I think it's still important on RWD cars too. I mean, practically all racecars that aren't involved in an off-road sport or drifting use double wishbones for a reason...

How about:
"purpose built race cars that use some form of suspension design that incorporates a dynamic camber curve."

I agree, but I was commenting on the delta of the handicap where the macpherson "handicap" (probably wrong terminology here) is significantly less than on a Mac FWD car.

Reasoning:
RWD generally equates to a stiffer front than rear setup and the weight distro of the RWD chassis along with the rear wheels receiving the power means that heat generated up front is already minimized, the braking is already ideal due to weight distro and with the front being stiff that means a great deal of front camber isn't as needed due to a reduction in squat and body roll from that end being stiffer.

Now reverse this for FWD: The front tires see a lot more heat, are trying to do 2 jobs and the weight distro of the car is not conducive to excellent braking because FWD cars like to be front weight bais for performance. So double arms (aka: dynamic camber) helps a FWD car: Reduce the need for static camber to improve braking, soften the front vs. the rear to improve grip without generating as much tire temp. A lack of dynamic camber

As for "race cars", I think of production cars-that-are-raced and most have macs up front (bmw, porsche, subaru, etc) which is obviously indicative of how prevalent Macs are on production cars.

A dynamic camber curve on the front of a production car is a rare bird nowadays, especially on FWD unfortunately.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

How about:
"purpose built race cars that use some form of suspension design that incorporates a dynamic camber curve."

I agree, but I was commenting on the delta of the handicap where the macpherson "handicap" (probably wrong terminology here) is significantly less than on a Mac FWD car.

Reasoning:
RWD generally equates to a stiffer front than rear setup and the weight distro of the RWD chassis along with the rear wheels receiving the power means that heat generated up front is already minimized, the braking is already ideal due to weight distro and with the front being stiff that means a great deal of front camber isn't as needed due to a reduction in squat and body roll from that end being stiffer.

Now reverse this for FWD: The front tires see a lot more heat, are trying to do 2 jobs and the weight distro of the car is not conducive to excellent braking because FWD cars like to be front weight bais for performance. So double arms (aka: dynamic camber) helps a FWD car: Reduce the need for static camber to improve braking, soften the front vs. the rear to improve grip without generating as much tire temp. A lack of dynamic camber

As for "race cars", I think of production cars-that-are-raced and most have macs up front (bmw, porsche, subaru, etc) which is obviously indicative of how prevalent Macs are on production cars.

A dynamic camber curve on the front of a production car is a rare bird nowadays, especially on FWD unfortunately.

Eh, the one and only reason companies don't do it is because they are cheap. Subaru doesn't count, because all of their racing history up until the BRZ is focused on rally, which is an off-road sport, where they are more concerned with suspension travel due to rough terrain/jumps/holes (which often cause them to never have traction anyways) than maximum grip. Also, the GT300 Subaru BRZ uses double wishbones and even push-rod dampers. The high end Porsches that are really meant to be actual track cars (GT3 911, the new GT4 Cayman, etc.) all use double wishbones. Formula 1? Double wishbones. Indycar? Double wishbones. Highly modified time attack cars competing & winning in World Time Attack? Evos, Silvias, WRXs, etc. converted to use double wishbones along with cars like S2000s, RX7s, GTRs, and NSXs that have double wishbones from the factory.

I agree with you it's not AS important on RWD vehicles, but I firmly believe that most people underestimate how huge of an advantage double wishbones actually provide.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

I agree with you it's not AS important on RWD vehicles, but I firmly believe that most people underestimate how huge of an advantage double wishbones actually provide.

So MacFail it is then.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

So MacFail it is then.

In my opinion, yes. lol

[mark0006]

New Honda Civic Type R Coupe Imagined



From the article:
Independent artist Wild Speed has turned the Honda Civic Coupe concept into a fully-fledged Type R model.

2 pictures and full article

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[swarb]

gimie a hatch dammit. not some mini accord.

[tahdizzle]

I have no idea why this thread is even still relevant.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by swarb

gimie a hatch dammit. not some mini accord.

Americans don't like hatchbacks.

[Turbo95eg6]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Americans don't like hatchbacks.

Said no one ever.

[swarb]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

I have no idea why this thread is even still relevant.

Because... wait for it.... v-tec!

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Americans don't like hatchbacks.

They are lumped in with wagons, suv's and mini-vans. It's the perfect young adult car imo.

[Who8myrice]

Well here is food for thought.
Type r will be mid to low 40k.
You won't be able to buy one at msrp. You heard it here first